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Ron in Nebr

04-29-2008 23:36:11




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Well I didn't include what kinda IH tractor this was about just 'cause I figured if I did nobody would click on this....but since I got ya here now:

This pertains to my 650D. It came from the factory with hydraulics and powersteering. Powersteering on these consisted of a slave cylinder that acted on the drag link.

At some point, dont know if the original hydraulic pump in front of the distributor quit working or what, but they added an external hyd. pump out in front of the grille that's driven off the front of the crankshaft and just put plugs in the original hyd pumps outlets. When they did this, they also just ran a short peice of hyd hose to "loop" the outlets on the powersteering slave cylinder together. All the original hydraulic system is gone- the front mounted pump goes to an added-on resivior tank and fender mounted spool valves.

My question is- if it can be done- what would I need to do to tap into this existing hydraulic system to be able to make the powersteering work again? I don't care about the "correct police" in this case- I'm gonna put a loader on the tractor and want the powersteering to work. How do these slave cylinders on the steering function? I have an original parts-book diagram of what went where, but it doesn't help me much with my current "fabricated" hydraulic system. Any advice would be helpfull! Thanks!

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Wardner

04-30-2008 19:57:00




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 04-29-2008 23:36:11  
I have the same tractor w/PS.

The closed end of the hydraulic assist cylinder has something that looks like a spool from a typical hydraulic valve. It is buried inside and not visible. The ball on the end of the pitman arm moves the spool and directs the flow.

Very simple and probably rebuildable with o-rings. Never had mine apart.

The steering valve in the steering cylinder is open center. All you need is a flow control valve w/safety, reservoir, any pump, and misc hoses.

If you are going with IH, make sure the flow control valve is 364 841 R93. It has an internal transverse regulating spool on the lower sides of the valve casting.

If I were in your shoes, I would go to a salvage yard and get the right parts including the pump. Everything is mounted out in the open and easy to get to. It should be cheaper than making up alot of hoses and buying an aftermarket FCV. The IH valve will be pancaked onto one or two implement control valves. Get the whole thing.

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IH2444

04-30-2008 05:15:15




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 04-29-2008 23:36:11  
It uses a hydrostatic "hand pump" under the steering wheel, you also need a priority flow diverter and another little thingy box forgot what that one is though.

My IH 2444 has double ram hydrostatic steering.



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Ron in Nebr

04-30-2008 10:49:15




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to IH2444, 04-30-2008 05:15:15  
According to the system diagram in the parts book I have, there's nothing "under the steering wheel" I don't think? Nothing on the tractor that I can see that's actualy physically attached to the manual steering mechanism, from the wheel or on down through the gearbox.

Parts books shows what they called a "regulator valve" that mounted up by where the original touch control valves were, but of course that's all gone now.

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IH2444

04-30-2008 13:22:36




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 04-30-2008 10:49:15  
On Hydrostatic steering there is no physical mechanical shaft attachment. I think the hand pump puts pressure on a proportional valve assy as you turn it (connected by hoses) and causes the proprotional hydraulic ram controller to move the hydraulic rams accordingly. The proportional flow divider is to tap into the main hydraulics and drop the pressure down to 600 lbs for the flow that goes to the hydrostatic steering if I remember correctly for the steering system.

I will look thru my manual tonight.

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RustyFarmall

04-30-2008 04:13:48




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 04-29-2008 23:36:11  
I don't know the specifics of what needs to be done, but I do know it CAN be done. I remember seeing an M with a wide front several years ago that had been converted to FULL hydraulic steering. The original shaft that connected the steering wheel to the front end had been completely removed. If it can be done on an M, there has to be a way to do it on your 650.



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usetabesteve

04-30-2008 13:57:52




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 Re: IH Powersteering Question in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-30-2008 04:13:48  
Those conversions are usually done with a hydrostatic power steering unit from a junked combine. Should be quite feasible.



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