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E85 in Farmall A

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jonnny2006

05-01-2008 11:37:01




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I have a 1940 farmall a that has a fresh rebuild and today i filled her up with E85... It might not be a better value or what not but it means that instead of me buying 12 gallons of gas i will only buy 1.8 gallons of gas the rest is renewable energy. Untill "Grass-o-leen" comes to my town i guess i will stick with corn alcohol. Ran really really good and i drove it 7 miles to town and back wide open the whole way and she dint miss a beat. I wonder what the alcohol effect on the plugs are? I also like the fact the exaust isent so strong and if a little fuel runs out of the carb you cant smell it as much. I will support E85 as it reduces the need for oil to come from other countries. I say get the alcohol from switchgrass and ramp up production big time. Start sending that stuff down exsiting pipe lines, and let the other countries burn ther own oil. Just a thought

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Andrew Kappers

05-02-2008 20:29:36




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  
Running E-85 is a good thing. 1. we arent supporting the terrorists with money. 2. cutting down on global warming 3. renewable energy. I would say it has is benefits. If we are so worried about running out of corn, dont export as much. There are other things to eat besides corn.



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dave guest

05-02-2008 19:41:33




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  
E85 is a problem. Why put food into your gas tank? Only thing makes it profitable is government subsidies which we need less of.



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NawlensGator

05-02-2008 07:22:52




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  

I'm not so sure it reduces the need for oil. I believe the oil consumed to fertilize, cultivate, transport, distil, etc is about equal to the oil energy equivalent produced.



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Jim Becker

05-02-2008 06:34:00




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  

Janicholson said: (quoted from post at 20:22:01 05/01/08 ) If we made 50% of our total energy (US)out of any grain crop, we would have 40 % less food to eat. The reality of the scope of our energy use is staggering. JimN


Most everybody I know (including me!!) would probably benefit from 40% less food. :)

You're right Jim. The ripple effects of any fundamental change can be far reaching.

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rbuckel

05-01-2008 17:42:39




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  
I like to be green, but converting food to fuel isn't such a good idea. The corn kernal won't make a dent in our overall consumption.



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garytomaszewski

05-01-2008 19:59:58




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to rbuckel, 05-01-2008 17:42:39  
Rbuckel, exactly how much corn did you eat today, this week, this month, this year? The by product of distilling is alcohol AND brewers grain mash an animal feed, that could probably be consumed by humans, at least in the same quantities that they ate unprocessed corn. Do you have any complaints about the grain (wheat, barley, rye, corn) that is used to produce beer and whiskey? How about the potatoes (GASP HUMAN FOOD) that go into making vodka?

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Janicholson

05-01-2008 20:22:01




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to garytomaszewski, 05-01-2008 19:59:58  
If we made 50% of our total energy (US)out of any grain crop, we would have 40 % less food to eat. The reality of the scope of our energy use is staggering. JimN



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Bryan Monaco

05-01-2008 11:58:08




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to jonnny2006, 05-01-2008 11:37:01  
A buddy of mine ran E85 in a 1979 Ford Fairmont. He rebuilt the carb with modern gaskets and used a small drill bit to "widen up' the jet. It ran great. To run correctly on E85 the engine had to run richer. Also he advanced the spark timing a few degrees. The high alcohol content tore up the diaphram in the fuel pump, but that easily fixed. There was no problem in regards to plugs or anything.

A gasoline engine burning E85 usually burns more E85 than regular gasoline, but in your situation I wouldn't worry about it. I would think that because of the Farmall's low compression engine the lower BTU content of the E85 may not even be an issue.

Way to go with the altenative fuel!

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Janicholson

05-01-2008 12:21:28




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to Bryan Monaco, 05-01-2008 11:58:08  
Higher compression is betterfor E85. Up to 10 to one can be used, (hard to get in an farmall W/O tall pistons and shaved head. JimN



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MIKE THOMPSON

05-01-2008 12:44:33




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to Janicholson, 05-01-2008 12:21:28  
THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU COULD RUN INTO IS THE FUEL DRYING OUT THE GASKETS IN THE CARBORATOR BECAUSE IT IS ALOT DRYER FUEL DUE TO THE HIGH ALCOHOL CONTENT OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS TO RUNNING IT



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GordoSD

05-01-2008 16:06:25




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 Re: E85 in Farmall A in reply to MIKE THOMPSON, 05-01-2008 12:44:33  
There are no rubber gaskets in a Farmall carb. They are all fibre. Don't know about the viton tipped needle, but I have all metal needle/seat assemblies in all three letter series I have. If you replaced your fuel line with one made of rubber, that could become an issue, but easy to reinstall steel line.

Gordo



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