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1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills

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Peter A Taylor

01-24-2000 05:29:46




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I installed a 1 1/4" heating plug into the freeze plug on the right side of the tractor in the hopes that it would enable the tractor to start in the New England Winter. I also installed a lower hose coolant warming device. The tractor still will not start in weather below 25 degrees.I also try and use a starting fluid if essential, but am still shoveling snow by hand. It is unrealistic to expect the tractor that is stored outside(covered) to start in the Winter? Would installing another plug on the other side of the motor help--It looks to be a more difficult installation on that side. Thanks

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dave ryall

10-09-2001 12:34:49




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 Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Peter A Taylor, 01-24-2000 05:29:46  
I have a 63 diesel dexta and i remove the heater plug and direct the flame of a small gas blowlamp into the heater plug housing and thumb the starter. It works very well, even in old England Best of luck.



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Brian

01-24-2000 10:57:51




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 Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Peter A Taylor, 01-24-2000 05:29:46  
Peter,

Your Dexta should have two cold start aids. One is a button on the injection pump, the second is a diesel spray and heater in the intake manifold. If both these aids are working and are used the engine should start in most conditions. If you have installed block heaters etc. I would have said that if the engine was in fair condition it should start. The worrying thing is that you have been using starting fluid. This is the worst stuff invented. It will ruin an engine. They get addicted to it. Even in high summer they will need it before starting. So if you have been using this for any length of time you may need a complete engine rebuild. If the engine is worn through use you may again need a rebuild.
regards

Brian.
PS. There are some real Dexta experts on this page from all over the world, so more information such as does the engine fume or miss etc may help to pin point your problem.

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Burrhead

01-24-2000 14:11:29




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 Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Brian, 01-24-2000 10:57:51  
It may already be too late. Sometimes on the 1st time you use ether the pistons crack below the compression rings, and thus til you put in new pistons and rings it will not have enough compression to crank. That's what causes the ether addiction.
If the batteries and starter on a Perkins are good and the batteries are the right amperage that Dexta should crank at 0 degrees with out even using the glowplug, concidering that you use block heaters. Are the block heaters working properly????
Please throw the ether away and forget they make it while you're cranking any Perkins engine. Even if it does'nt ruin the engine the manifold glowplug will explode with ether in it, and you possibly could be very, very seriously hurt or killed.

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Christer Andersson

09-05-2000 02:01:09




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 Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Burrhead, 01-24-2000 14:11:29  
Make your own hot summer climate.Put a blancet over your tractor and a cabine heater under the tractor ,dont forget glowing for 30 seconds



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rory

01-30-2000 11:44:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Burrhead, 01-24-2000 14:11:29  
1961 Fordson Dexta (standard engine). cold weather starting.
i purchased my tractor in 1996 and the engine needed a complete over-haul. before this it was extremely hard to start in cold weather even with a heavy duty battery and glowplug. when the engine was reconditioned the mechanic advised me to raise the valves in the head. now the tractor will start first turn on the coldest of mornings without the glowplug!!!

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Peter A Taylor

01-25-2000 04:51:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Burrhead, 01-24-2000 14:11:29  
Well, by the sounds of it , it is too late to save the engine--When I bought the tractor five years ago, the person that I bought it from used the starting fluid for starts, and Ihave continued to do so. The tractor is used heavily, but doesn't like to start without the fluid. Neither of the manufacturer's starting aids work. I am not a purist when it comes to tractors, and it is used as a hard working tool around our horse farm. An engine rebuild is extremely unlikely--I would tend towards picking up another used tractor when money is available--probably not diesel though. Am I nuts?

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Oscar

01-25-2000 06:12:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Peter A Taylor, 01-25-2000 04:51:48  
No, you're not nuts at all. I've emailed with folks in Australia who use Dexta's and Super Dexta's daily, hard work. Instead of getting the engine rebuilt, you might also consider throwing in an engine from another Dexta. In that case, you're only paying for the engine, not for the many hours of work a repairman is going to charge you with. Swapping engines is a 4-hr job for an experienced repairman, maybe even less. A decent engine shouldn't cost too much.

If you're going to buy another tractor, why not a diesel? They're a lot sturdier and stronger than petrol engines (though not everyone here agrees on that), and a good diesel engine will start in cold weather. Yours only doesn't because of the ether. Like my predecessor said, loose the ether and forget they ever made it.

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Burrhead

01-26-2000 10:13:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Oscar, 01-25-2000 06:12:22  
I agree with Oscar on this engine matter. If you are mechanically inclined however the Perkins is very simple to work on and around here having to go through a dealer the parts for this engine's rebuild is about $450 for parts not counting any labor cost.
I love my Super Dexta and would recommend you do an engine swap or rebuild this engine. You won't find a more versatile or dependable tractor anywhere and if you buy another used tractor you may not get any better condition than you have.
As for the diesel preference I would'nt trade my dexta diesel for 2 gas powered tractors to take it's place. I love the dependability and power of the diesel That Perkins diesel is'nt tempermental and with proper care and maintenance will last many many years between rebuilds on the engine.

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Peter A Taylor

01-27-2000 05:43:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Burrhead, 01-26-2000 10:13:43  
Brian, Burrhead and Oscar--Thanks for the advice. I figured out a way to start her up without the starting fluid. I moved the tractor much closer to the house and changed the extension cord that supplies power to the block heater and the Radiator hose heater to a thick #10 one and as short as possible. I thought that there was probably so much draw in the longer and smaller cord that the heating devices weren't producing heat up to their capacity. We had a decent snowstorm, 12" of snow and with a temperature of 15 degrees, the tractor started right up--No starting fluid at all(I was astonished!!!!) So it seems that I have found a solution for the starting ills without using the starting fluid. I'll probably not think about another tractor or an engine rebuild until this one forces me to. It's been a great and hard working machine. THANKS AGAIN

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Oscar

01-27-2000 23:51:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1959 Dexta cold weather starting ills in reply to Peter A Taylor, 01-27-2000 05:43:51  
Peter,

Good to hear you got your Dexta running again. However, it is more than likely (probably inevitable) that your Dexta has one or more cracked pistons. Though it may function properly for a while longer, it could also fail catastrophically at any time.

When I bought mine, the previous owner had used ether on it for some time. The engine started pretty good, though, and it ran fine. I could only tell from the lack of compression that something was wrong with it. So I took a look at the pistons, and sure enough one was seriously cracked. I replaced it, as well as all the piston rings, bearings and gaskets, and now the Dexta is top-notch, 100%. I can start it in freezing weather with just a good battery. I'd advice you to get some spare pistons, piston rings, gaskets and bearings (all costing very little, BTW) and then to have a good repairman work at your Dexta for a day or two. You'll get it back as good as new, and it'll never let you down. As it is now, you're lucky just to get through a day's work with it.

Regards,
Oscar

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