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Re: Olivers to stay away from?

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MichaelNEIowa

09-04-2005 11:55:41




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I was looking at a 1755 diesel and at an 1850 diesel. Anything to watch out for on one of these?

Does the 1850 have the Waukesha 310? If so,isn't this the motor that "vents" through the crankcase?

I've read that the 1655 is a well-liked tractor. How about the 1750, 1755, or 1850?

What about over and under? Is that similar to the TA on an IH?




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farmin aint easy

09-10-2006 08:44:20




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 09-04-2005 11:55:41  
stay away from 310 they throw rods the 1850 has a 354 perkins this is a great engine and capable of 125 plus hp. with a little tweeking. As far as a over under it is a three speed shift onthe fly hyd. opperated trans in adition to your 6 speed and it is way better than a ta



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Sam m

09-06-2005 07:27:01




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 09-04-2005 11:55:41  
I own an Oliver 1850 with Perkins diesel and 2 speed shifter and an Oliver 1855 with updated 310 engine and over/under (3 speed shifter ) . The 2 speed and 3 speed shifters are similar to TA on International in that they allow speed changes without putting in the clutch but the 2 and 3 speeds on Olivers are separate units that bolt on between the bell housing and the input sprocket to the transmission . The low range of both the Oliver 2 and 3 speeds free wheel going down hill and are mostly useful for downshifting on flat ground or going up hill or starting loads . The three speed (over/under drive ) is much more useful as two ranges (direct and over (high))do not free wheel going down hill .

There are some differences between 1850 and 1755 that may be important to you :

1. 1755 to 1955 have independantly mounted operators stations . Operator sits a lot higher up on the 1755 to 1955 and I think it is easier to see on my 1885 than my 1850 .

2. 1755 has closed center hydraulics while 1850 has open center .

3. 1755 has hydraulically actuated dry disc brakes while 1850 has mechanically actuated dry disc brakes . Hydraulically actuated on 1755 are self adjusting .

4. 1755 has externally mounted hydraulic pump (under left side of operator's platorm ) .

5. 1755 has hydraulically actuated pto.

6. My 1855 has an extremely tight gear box which sometimes is difficult to shift from forward to reverse while 1850 is very easy to shift . That may just be my 1855 .

7. 1850 has the worst park brake set up I have ever seen on a tractor .

8. 1755 has headlights in grill while 1850 has them in fenders only .

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Don-Wi

09-04-2005 15:28:34




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 09-04-2005 11:55:41  
Our 1755 ended up having engine troubles, not sure what as we never took it apart and it's still sitting. I think the hydro pump was starting to go out too, but not sure. It's ussually not a problem with these tractors.

The 1850 deisels have the Perkins 354 6 cyl. deisel, later models of the same size engine were used in the White 2-85 (non turbo) and 2-105 (turbo). Massey also used these engines in some of their combines.

The 310 in the early 1855's were the ones to give all others a bad name. The main reason for their troubles is the lack of oil capacity, and no oil cooler on the early models. They did use them on the earlier 1950-T's and on the 1955's of the same years. In the upgrades, they used a harder conecting rod bolt(the new ones were 12 pt. instead of 6), 1 pc. wrist pins, and on the later models they added the engine oil cooler. there ay be other small details I'm leaving out, others can correct me on this.

The 1750, 55, and 1850 are all good tractors, as well as the 1855. The 19's are all right around or slightly above 100 hp.

The over/under was offered on the later 50 series, so the 1850 may or may not have it. If not, it'll probably have the hydra-power, unless it has nothing which is uncommon. The hydra-power takes the 6 forward gears and 2 reverse, and multiplies them by 2, giving you a slightly slower speed in low which it free-wheels. The over/under also gives you one speed slower than normal, but it also give you one speed higher. I think someone said it's a 20% reduction/increase. Same 20% on the hydra-power. They basically do the same thing as the T/A, or the multi-power on the Massey's

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MichaelNEIowa

09-05-2005 14:00:32




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to Don-Wi, 09-04-2005 15:28:34  
Thanks!



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Rich Iowa

09-04-2005 14:02:52




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 09-04-2005 11:55:41  
Michael, I"ve had a 1650 diesel for a few months now, so that doesn"t make me an expert at all. I looked at a few 1800 series tractors before I found my 1650. The 1800 had the 310 Waukasha, the 1850 had a Perkins (sorry can"t remember the displacement), the 1855 went back to the Waukasha 310. I"m not sure why they made the switch and back again. My late uncle had a Minni-Mo G850 gas (same as a Oliver 1755), the only thing I know that is bad about it is the hydraulic pump is going out. This was my uncles "power" tractor on a 80 acres farm, bought new. It has 4,300 hours, does a lot of sitting, which would explain the pump problem. Now for the over/under, it"s similar and it"s differant. On an O/U drive you have 18 speeds, each gear has an Over drive, a Direct drive, and an Under drive. On a Farmall, you have 10 speeds, a Direct drive and an Under drive. But remember, Under drive on both transmissions will FREE WHEEL going down hill.

If you can find a good, well maintained tractor, you shouldn"t have much of a problem with either the engine or trans. Good luck be safe. Rich

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MichaelNEIowa

09-05-2005 14:01:01




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 Re: Olivers to stay away from? in reply to Rich Iowa, 09-04-2005 14:02:52  
Thanks!



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