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Herb

08-22-2003 11:04:58




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Greetings to all!

Is there a section on this forum where I can learn the "lingo" of tractor talk? for example:
1)what is "TA"?
2)How can these items help the farmer:"Category II-3pt. hitch with top link."

kind regards,
Herb




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Herb

09-04-2003 08:02:44




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
Thanks to ALL that replied to my message.

Question:
1)What is the purpose of live hydraulics?
2)Can all tractors be converted to a 3pt.hitch and live hydraulics?

I am planning to purchase a tractor for plowing,tilling,and brush removal.

kind regards,
Herb



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kyhayman

08-23-2003 10:56:20




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
By all means, feel free to ask questions. I guarentee that not a sould here was born with any tractor knowledge genetically implanted in their head. We have all had to learn it. Some of us started pretty young, and some not young at all. Bottom line is we all had to learn it.

It gets even more confusing when people in different parts of the country (or world) call stuff by different names. Take a wagon/trailer/hay rack/flat rack/flat wagon/etc. All the same thing to some people and different things entirely to others. If everybody knew everything wouldn't be much need for a site like this.:-)

David

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Shane

08-23-2003 13:50:47




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 Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to kyhayman, 08-23-2003 10:56:20  
Not getting critical here so dont get fired up. Around here a wagon and trailer are two different things. A wagon has a steerable front axle and a trailer doesnt, even if it is a tandem trailer. A trailer is connected directly to the tow vehicle with part of its own weight on the hitch of tow vehicle. A wagon has a tongue with only the weight of the tongue on the hitch. A hay rack, flat rack, flat wagon, gravity box, etc are all wagons. A livestock or cattle or horse trailer, dump trailer, hopper bottom, implement trailer are all trailers. Again, not trying to slam ya but am trying to help with the lingo here from my area. Shane

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Chris-se-ILL

08-23-2003 19:26:00




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 Re: Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Shane, 08-23-2003 13:50:47  
Well Shane, since no one is starting anything then I won't either.... but.... there are some exceptions around this area! We have 3 wagons that according to your definition would be trailers! They are "truck wagons!" They are made from cutting the cab and front end off an old wooden-bed truck. Then the frame can be bent to a pointed tongue (sorta like an "A" or a tongue is made with heavy channel iron. These "wagons" have either single or tandem axles (we have two that have single axle and one with tandem) and the weight is forward of the axles and rests on the hitch of the tractor. We can haul 300 bushels on the smallest and 400 bushel on the largest.

They are not trailers.... they are wagons (you could ask any farmer in the area and they would say the same thing!). As one of the original posts stated.... what is called one thing in one area of the country... may be called something else in another area!

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Shane

08-24-2003 07:25:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 08-23-2003 19:26:00  
There were a lot of those made out of pick up trucks around here. Interesting to see them called wagons around your area. Where are you located. Someone with a lot of time and a good computer could take in a lot if info and make a map to show all the different lingo terms for the same thing.



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Chris-se-ILL

08-24-2003 15:17:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Shane, 08-24-2003 07:25:33  
{quote}Shane, "...Where are you located...."{unquote}

Chris (south-eastern Illinois)

aka: Chris-se-ILL



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Trevor

08-24-2003 06:58:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 08-23-2003 19:26:00  
Hey Chris-se-ILL,

Here in southern Ontario Canada they are called "dump Trailers". We have had one for as long as I can remember.

This is a good converation to start, Differences in Lingo. But don't take anything to heart.

Somebody should start that string, if not I will start it later.



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kyhayman

08-23-2003 16:50:15




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 Re: Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Shane, 08-23-2003 13:50:47  
No slam taken :-). That is the general definition I always used though I had never heard it called a hay rack to describe that until last year on this site (a hay rack here is what you have in the barn or pasture to put small square bales in to feed livestock). Have put my foot in my mouth more than once with guys referring to what I call a wagon as a trailer pulled behind the baler to load square bales on. They were referring to what you and I are both calling wagons. Seems to be really more a function of the industry (equine in general, esp Saddlebreds) than the location.

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Paul Janke

08-22-2003 21:19:54




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
You asked about two specific items when I think you were asking about lots of things, so here goes on one or two others. Live hydraulics refers to hydraulic power available any time the engine is running. It is usually available at the remotes, which are the hydraulic quick couplers at the back of the tractor. Second item, PTO (Power Take Off). This is most commonly a shaft at the back of the tractor which when engaged turns clockwise when you look at it from behind the tractor. Old smaller tractors often had a 1 1/8" diameter shaft. Most newer tractors up to close to 100 HP (if I'm wrong, somebody please give a correction) and bigger older tractors have a 1 3/8" shaft. These (both sizes) turn 540 revolutions per minute at rated or designed to be used speed, and are 6 splines. Big tractors use 1 3/8", 21 spline shafts which turn 1000 RPM. OK, somebody else's turn, explain some more things.

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Shane

08-23-2003 10:48:13




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 Re: Re: tractor lingo in reply to Paul Janke, 08-22-2003 21:19:54  
I think that the BIG tractors have a larger 1000 rpm pto too.



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Jerry

08-22-2003 20:31:27




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
Don't be afraid to ask any "lingo" or any other questions you may have. Thats how we learn, and when we build our knowledge, we have the ability to help others.

I have given a short explanation on the categories of hitches. Hope it helps.

Category 0 Tractors up to 20 hp
Top link pins: 5/8" diameter
Lift arm pins: 5/8" diameter

Category I Tractors from 20-45 hp
Top link pins: 3/4" diameter
Lift arm pins: 7/8" diameter

Category II (2)Tractors from 50-95 hp
Top link pins: 1" diameter
Lift arm pins: 1-1/8" diameter

Category III (3)Tractors from 95-100 hp & up
Top link pins: 1-1/4" diameter
Lift arm pins: 1-7/16" diameter

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ovil winburn

08-22-2003 18:28:48




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
if you want to learn the terms applied to things associated with tractors go to the equipment supplier and browse around and ask questions and look at the despcriptions.



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Chris-se-ILL

08-22-2003 14:37:37




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
Hey Herb, you did the best thing by just asking! Most of the folks here are decent people that love to talk about tractors and you can't get this sorta info from a dictionary! :-D

I would hope everyone would feel free to ask even the most obscure questions. I came to this forum to ask questions about an Oliver tractor (I had never worked on one before), I liked the caliber of people and the depth of knowledge that is available here. I grew up farming and still have to pause to consider some of the terms that are used here. :-)

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ShepFL

08-22-2003 12:41:41




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
Nothing here that I am aware of.
Not being a smarta$$ I would suggest getting out and meeting your neighbors and the elders in your area. If that is not possible consider going to the local auction house. Hang out there, meet some folks, have a sausage dog and cup of coffee. Most folks that own animal stock also own equipment. That would be a good starter.

Another alternative is a google web search for "lingo"

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Ben in KY

08-22-2003 11:46:46




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
A 3 point hitch is the standard method by which most all rear mounted tractor attachmnets hook up to the tractor. If you buy a tractor without 3 point hitch you will be limited in the rear mounted attachments that you can use. The top link is a part of the 3 point hitch. They come in several categories 0-4 I think. If you look at 3- Point specs at the left under Research & info you can read about the different categories.

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greenbeanman

08-22-2003 11:44:44




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
I'm not aware of any location, but ask away.

TA stands for torque amplifier. TAs were featured on International tractors.

We ran Minneapolis-Molines, and one of our tractors, a M-5, had an AT. They called theirs an Ampli-torque so as not to infringe upon others.

Basically with the AT you pulled a lever that shifted the tractor down into a slightly lower gear to keep from lugging the engine down through a hard spot. No clutching and manual shifting of the transmission was needed. To gear back up you just pushed the lever forward again.
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Three point hitches are rated in size and lifting power by "category". Category 0 would be lawn tractor sized. Cat I would be utility sized and older tractor sized. Cat II, getting into some fairly heafty lifting power--what you would find on 100 hp tractors, etc. That definition is generalized of course.
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You can use reducers in order to use Cat I equipment on many Cat II tractors. The pin sizes are different that hold the equipement on.

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Trevor

08-22-2003 11:39:59




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 Re: tractor lingo in reply to Herb, 08-22-2003 11:04:58  
Herb,

I will handle the TA question.

TA stands for "Torque Amplifier" it is actually an "International Harvester" (IH) term. What it is, is a lever that you could pull to slow down your ground speed without touching the clutch. This would allow a PTO (Power Take Off) driven piece of equipment to remain a the same operating speed but have less feed (via ground speed) applied. It could also be used to give the rear wheels more torque by increasing the gear ratio of the motor to the wheels.

Basically, when the going got tough and the engine started to bog or labour you would grab the TA and slow down the ground speed.

Other manufacturers had similar inventions they just called it something different. Massey Ferguson was Multi Power. John Deere was Over/Under (aka Rabbit/Turtle). Oliver had Hydra Power. So on and so on.

Hope that wasn't to drawn out.

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