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09-13-2003 14:15:28

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I have been covered this year with nutsledge or
nutgrass. I think the Canada geese brought it in
and now it is spearding everywhere. I have a 3pt
sprayer but I don't know what to spray with and
I don't want to kill my hay. Can anybody help?

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Huckleberry

09-15-2003 07:47:32

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

Spend your money on fertilizer instead of herbicides. Get a soil sample. You may need lime. A good healthy stand of your grasses will come on earlier than the weeds and will choke them out. The herbicides are like an addiction...no matter how much you use / you never get enough. Stop and think about it for a minute.

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red-n-green

09-15-2003 13:01:01

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Re: Re: Weeds in reply to Huckleberry, 09-15-2003 07:47:32

Huckleberry has a very good point. Get your soil tested and fertilize as needed. Keep it mowed as often as you can. If your stand is a little thin, then you may need to overseed with something.

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Joe Evans

09-15-2003 05:53:59

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

Sounds like nutsedge can be a "tough out"--very similar to a wild violet infestation that I've been battling. See this website:

https://www.rce.rutgers.edu/pubs/pdfs/fs543.pdf

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JOHN (LA)

09-14-2003 13:24:11

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

I very much agree that this is some bad advise. I did not post before because I DO NOT know what chemical will help you. But I do know that while roundup and others will work for spot treatment of weeds and grasses it will kill every thing it touches. May be great to use on their 25 foot by 50 foot front yard but a field big enough to call a hay field would be very hard to spot treat. BUT I guess you can figure that out.
My advise to you is. You have to class your hay. Broadleaf; narrowleaf; whatever. Then you can get a chemical that will kill other types of grasses but not your type.
Your states Ag Center or Extension Service can help you with this.That is what they are there for.Besides your local states service can help you much more than even a Ag Center from another state. Your local people know your weather,soil conditions, grasses and problems. What I am trying to say is; even if some one can post the correct chemical to use and at what strength to use it; if you apply at the wrong time of the year you probley just threw your money away. What works for me here in Louisiana where we plant Rye grass in October for winter grazing is not going to work for someone who has three seasons. (winter; spring; and fall) Hope you can see my point and get some local advise.

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09-14-2003 19:29:22

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Re: Re: Weeds in reply to JOHN (LA), 09-14-2003 13:24:11

Thank you all for the opinions. I have nutsledge
coming up in orchard grass and timothy hay fields
No legumes to worry about as I know 2,4D will
kill them, and I use Roundup, so I know how that
works. I am not familiar with Basagran. Is it
costly to use? Do you need an applicators permit
to buy and use it? I hate to kill off a new hay
field, but this stuff is spreading all over my
farm.

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red-n-green

09-14-2003 19:51:27

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Re: Re: Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-14-2003 19:29:22

For timothy and orchard grass you can forget using Plateau then. It will kill timothy and really set back orchard grass.

Jay

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paul

09-14-2003 09:09:12

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

You got some real bad advise down below, be careful.

No one can advise you without a lot more info. What is 'hay' to you? Broadleaves, grass, or a mix?????

Roundup will kill all the green plants - you need to know that, & no one says so.

2,4D & Roundup have NOTHING in common - don't know what game that guy was playing on you, but wow that is truely aweful advise. 2,4D comes in several flavors, and adding 'a surficant' can really really change how potent it is - can easily burn off your grass too.

No one is saying that spot spraying will also kill your grass in the spots you spray with Roundup - some of the others will stunt if not outright kill your hay. Some of these chemicals are very good at certain times of the year, others have long withdrawl periods, and some don't do a thing if you spray at the wrong time.

I would figure out what your 'hay' actually is, and talk to someone locally - if you have extension where you are, or most any of the chemical suppliers will be able to help you. And actually know what they are talking about!

Some truely bad advise down below. Can't tell if you are experienced & just looking for some good product names, or if you are a newbie & have no idea about chemicals at all - but be real careful of this 'advise.' Good luck.

--->Paul

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John (C-IL)

09-14-2003 08:45:20

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

I hate it when some one receives poor agronomic advice and you have received it here. The best product to take care of your situation is probably Basagran. The caveat here is you didn't mention what kind of hay, and I need to check the label to see if there is a preharvest interval or if it is even label for your particular hay crop. BTW, I am a Certified Crop Advisor with 28 years of fertilizer and chemical experience.

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09-14-2003 05:47:44

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

What I would recomend if you don't want to plow up or kill off you hay crop is to spot spray. Your safest bet is to use one of the glyco products (roundup ect..). A 2% solution of roundup in a hand sprayer with a spray to wet application will work well. But please read the label for more and better info.

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Phil Munson

09-13-2003 20:34:09

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

I don't know where you are but climate and soil type makes a lot of difference. Roundup, or glyphosphate, will kill most everthing that is above the ground. I do not know if it will kill the rhizomes, or root nodules. In quackgrass, in the northeast it will. Roundup and 2-4-D are two very different herbicides. 2-4-D will not touch most grasses, but as a natural growth hormone, will really be tough on most broadleaves, including legumes such as clover, alfalfa, and crownvetch.

However, for your particular needs I suggest that you get in touch with cooperative extension and get the area crop specialist to give you some good practical advice for your specific situation.

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stihl088

09-13-2003 20:13:14

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

You could use crossbow vegitation killer. the cost is rather expensive in new england its $159.00 for 2.5 gallons. You could also use 2 4-D concentrate which is the active ingrediant in Round-Up and Crossbow, that sells for about $8.00 around here. should be able to buy at any farm supply store and mix with a surfactant so if it rains it will not wash off.we use this stuff to kill crown vetch. good luck

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RickB.

09-14-2003 03:56:37

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Re: Re: Weeds in reply to stihl088, 09-13-2003 20:13:14

2,4-D is most definitely NOT the active ingredient in Roundup. 2,4-D won't touch nutsedge, and crossbow probably won't either.

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thurlow

09-13-2003 19:17:23

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

Basagran..... ..weed, rather than grass killer, but will get the nutgrass

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red-n-green

09-13-2003 16:02:20

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Re: Weeds in reply to JC, 09-13-2003 14:15:28

This stuff is a real pain to get rid of. You will need to really stay on top of this problem with continuous eradication practices.

If you are talking grass hay that you don't want to kill, you can spray Plateau, but this might kill some of your hay. Plateau is listed to kill most non native grasses and some weeds. I have included a link so you can check out the label of Plateau to get a little more familiar with what it will kill and what it won't.

You can also spot spray with Roundup or Clearout 41 Plus which about half the price of Roundup. Clearout is 41% glypho where Roundup is 50%.

You can also sprinkle copper sulfate granules on the base of the plants to help kill the roots. But nutsedge has rhizomes like johnsongrass and is hard to control if not treated.

The best thing you could do is dig this stuff up as soon as you see it coming out.

Hope this helps,

Jay

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Texas Jay

09-13-2003 19:19:04

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Re: Re: Weeds in reply to red-n-green, 09-13-2003 16:02:20

Can't help with the weeds but be advised "Round up" can now be had in generic or store brands in the same strength and nearly half the price. At least here in Texas. It can be had from Lowes, "Wallyworld", and "tractor supply co" that I know of.

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Farmer/paul

09-14-2003 04:05:17

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Re: Re: Re: Weeds in reply to Texas Jay, 09-13-2003 19:19:04

I think you will find the round up sold at Lowes,TSC, or most of the regular retail outlets will have 1/2 the active ingredient ( and 3 times the price ) of the commercial product. That is what I have found here in Canada.

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