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Closed center hydrolics

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Paul

12-04-2003 20:51:18




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What is a closed center hydrolic system? I assume there are also open systems? How do they differ?




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KURT (mi)

12-05-2003 08:33:21




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 Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Paul, 12-04-2003 20:51:18  
I can make this point only when talking about hydraulics for machines. An open center valve is a valve that has the pump pressure going to all the ports in the valve, both cylinder ports and the tank port. THis would mean that the pressure of the system would only be say 100psi, just enough to push the fluid through the lines and back to the fluid holding tank. A closed center system is where the fluid going to the main valve is blocked at the pressure port and you would have to shift the valve to get pressure to the cylinder ports.

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BB

12-05-2003 05:01:30




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 Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Paul, 12-04-2003 20:51:18  
They say a picture is worth a thousand words.



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Willy-N

12-04-2003 21:02:00




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 Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Paul, 12-04-2003 20:51:18  
This site should answer your questions see link. Mark H.



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Paul

12-05-2003 10:00:11




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 Re: Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Willy-N, 12-04-2003 21:02:00  
Thanks guys. I've got an Idea now. I gather closed is better as it develops more pressure to direct the fluid to work.



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jdemaris

12-05-2003 18:38:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Paul, 12-05-2003 10:00:11  
A lot of John Deere equipment uses closed center. When I worked as a JD mechanic, I
was often taught at Deere school that the closed center system was better than open
because there was always high pressure oil at the control-valve, ready to use, and
therefore response was faster. Sounds good, theoretically, but in my real-life
experiences, I can't feel the difference. As I recall, the term "closed center" refers to the
center of the main control valve being normally closed, whereas, and "open center" has a
control valve that is normally open, so oil flows through it all the time with virtually no
pressure - until a function is used. My own opinion is, the open center systems are simpler and work just as well as closed
center systems. And, open center systems don't cause the engine cranking and starting
problems often associated with closed systems. One other benefit to open-center is that
the components, especially the pumps, are usually generic and easily replaceable. Webster pump craps out, just replace it with a Cesna or Vickers, etc. On the other hand,
closed-center systems often utilize proprietary components. Take a John Deere closed
system, especially an older one, and try to retrofit a pump, steering valve, or selective
control valve with anything but a John Deere component and you'll be out of luck.

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BB

12-05-2003 10:14:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to Paul, 12-05-2003 10:00:11  
Not true. They both work at a given design pressure. If you notice on the diagrams on my other post, it says on the closed system, the pump stops when design pressure is reached. On the open system the pump continues to run at design pressure recirculating the fluid thru the open port. When the valve is actuated, that pressure is diverted thru the valve to the implement. Advantages/disadvantages of each? That I can't answer although it would seem the open system would maintain a more constant pressure as the pump runs continuously and does not have to start and stop to control pressure.

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buickanddeere

12-06-2003 06:02:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Closed center hydrolics in reply to BB, 12-05-2003 10:14:06  
Closed center "hydraulic not hrdrolic" systems handle muiltiple loads easily without failure prone divertor/load sharing valves and orfices. Or loss of a hydraulic function when another hydraulic is used. Less pumping losses too.



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