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Shocked in Okla

01-19-2004 09:13:47




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Gosh, could it be? I thought I heard the tail end of such an announcement on TV this morning. Is nothing sacred any more? I know that my 4500 has a Yanmar engine, but come on! Shocked and concerned!




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cannonball

01-21-2004 07:12:57




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
well i have read the posts...some talk about the difference in wages and how much would be saved..now the question, do you really think the big companies are going to pass the savings on to the comsumer...i bet i know the answer ...greed...have nice day may god bless



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Vern-MI

01-20-2004 10:50:11




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Globalization


INTERNATIONAL THINKING AT ITS BEST!

Question: What is the truest definition of Globalization?

Answer: Princess Diana's death.

Question: How come?

Answer: An English princess

with an Egyptian boyfriend

crashes in a French tunnel,

driving a German car

with a Dutch engine,

driven by a Belgian who was drunk

on Scottish whisky, (check the bottle before you change the spelling)

followed closely by Italian Paparazzi,

on Japanese motorcycles;

treated by an American doctor,

using Brazilian medicines.

This is sent to you by an American.

using Bill Gates's technology,

and you're probably reading this on your computer,

that uses Taiwanese chips.

and a Korean monitor,

assembled by Bangladeshi workers
in a Singapore plant,

transported by Indian lorry-drivers,

hijacked by Indonesians,

unloaded by Sicilian longshoremen,

and trucked to you by Mexican illegals.....

That, my friends, is Globalization!!

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AT LEAST ITS NOT CHINA!!!

01-20-2004 07:52:04




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
AT LEAST IT"S NOT CHINA!!!



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dave

01-20-2004 07:01:32




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
I work for a plant that makes castings for John Deere and we lost 30% of our JD parts last year to China. Deere has been courting china for years thinking they will be a big market...unfortunately they don't buy from USA, they only make parts to dump on the US market. In the last year or two the big sucking sound has been from China and India, not Mexico. No we can't compete with a country that does not know what decent wages or pollution control means. Sorry for the rant, but we will soon be selling nothing but software and fast food unless this trend is slowed or stopped.

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DuaneWKKC

01-20-2004 03:43:53




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
It is my opinion that it is not the hight cost of labor that is sending jobs out of country. There are countless 'hidden' taxes placed on companies doing business here in the United States. OHSA is a major form of taxation. I work for a company that has had to do ridicules amounts of guarding just to meet guidlines. Sometimes spending 25 to 30K on ONE machine in a production line. Companies must hold monthly saftey meeting just to prove they are trying to teach their employees not to be stupid. The paper trail one must maintain just to prove you are not dicriminatory in your hiring practices is crazy dumb, forcing corporations to hire extra people to just deal with the paper trail.
These things are just the tip of the iceburg for hidden costs. The more we expect the government to 'protect' us, the more it will cost to run a company here in the US, and the more corps will move their manufacturing out of country. Taxing the rich to help the poor will long term create more poor to help. Yes, there is a difference in parties. Policies are what drive compainies away, not wages.

Duane W.

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my opinion

01-20-2004 07:48:45




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to DuaneWKKC, 01-20-2004 03:43:53  
I've read many of the post below. Most everyone has there opinion of why this country is the way it is , including myself. I can sit here for days , voicing my opinions. Lots of facts in everyones thoughts. The big question is , how are we going to turn this thing around? Guess what? We're not going too. It supposed to be this way. Think back as far as you can , then come up to date. Every aspect of the "big picture" has gotten worse. And will continue to get worse , until world tentions are at there peaks. Any guesses what happens next? Anyone with half a brain can see the direction this world is heading. NOT GOOD! I had given up on personal thoughts of how to fix things. Not one person on this planet has a clue as of how to change direction of "Evolution". Hang on. We're all going for a ride.

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ShepFL

01-20-2004 07:56:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico?? in reply to thurlow, 01-20-2004 06:51:55  
A pretty fair statement of Marx's expectations for the first phase of communist society!!

And now us if we continue to be apathetic and fail in our vigilance.



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JF

01-19-2004 20:06:18




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Everything will be going there because we dont buy our products made here.It is really simple.
How can we expect to keep them here if we dont pay a little more for somthing made here.
If they do,wonder if the price will reflect the change in the cost of labor.Probly not because we will continue to buy them anyways.



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Davis in SC

01-19-2004 18:20:45




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
I wonder if there are any people left in Mexico to work in the factories. It appears that most of them have moved here..... ....



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Dick

01-19-2004 22:22:51




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Davis in SC, 01-19-2004 18:20:45  
Hi Davis in SC,

From traveling to Mexico many times I can tell you that there are plenty of people left in the major cities to work in the factories. Now, in the rural small towns it's a different story. I've been in some small towns in the state of Michoacan and all you see is women and elderly people and of course small children. Most working age males are in the U.S working.

A frequently asked question: If Mexicans here only earn minimum wages, how can they send $15 billion to Mexico every year? Well, when you figure that there are probably about 20 million people sending money to families in Mexico, that would amount to $750. each, if my figuring is correct. Then when you figure most Mexican males living in the states, live with several others in apartments, rent is cheap. Their eating habits usually consist of beans, tortillas, rice, cheaper cuts of meat and of course beer. When most Mexicans come here it is for the purpose of helping their poor families back home. But, this thinking doesn't always last for long. They soon learn the American way of life and the temptations overwhelm them. By that time younger brothers have made their way to the U.S. to keep the dollars flowing back to Mexico. Don't worry Mexico and Central America have plenty of hands to send here for those so called jobs Americans won't do, and soon to be, jobs that Americans did, when they paid a decent wage. Dick

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Davis in SC

01-20-2004 05:46:04




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Dick, 01-19-2004 22:22:51  
Thanks for input, Dick. You do bring up a good point about the jobs the Mexicans are doing. Ten years ago, most here worked for landscapers, but now there are many in the construction trades. Many of them are now starting their own companies doing paving,roofing & other construction related jobs. I have heard several people say they were quite pleased with jobs done by them. Regards, Davis



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COWMANSAM

01-19-2004 18:06:32




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
I've read all your high wage posts but I don't see anyone asking for a wage cut to keep all these jobs here. Any and all jobs should at least pay a living wage. Most jobs of these times don't come close. I hate to see this country in twenty years when nobody has a pension,no savings, and no social security. You will have people robbing banks so they can use the jails for rest homes.



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panhandle

01-27-2004 19:17:55




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to COWMANSAM, 01-19-2004 18:06:32  
MOST Mexican only make 7 dollars a month.John Deere Profits will go sky high. Life is Grand just as long as you live in free U.S.A



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Nor. Ala

01-19-2004 17:14:50




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Ross Perot said it would be like this!(free trade agreement)



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Irv

01-19-2004 17:17:09




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Nor. Ala, 01-19-2004 17:14:50  
Ross Perot was right!



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Canada Grant

01-19-2004 16:47:38




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Your busy dwelling on cost of building tractor and where its built ....get those farm gate prices up or niether the mexicans or americans will be working!!!



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KB

01-19-2004 15:31:30




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
After reading the posts below there are couple of things besides wages that cuase our jobs to go elsewhere. One is the high cost of insurances, another is the abuse of the legal system filing frivilous (sp) lawsuits for everything from injuries caused by not following normal saftey rules (take a guess how much US industry spends on making thing idiot proof) and the last one to mention is the large amount of legislation that is placing all sorts of restrictions and such on US companies. We could do ourselves a great favor by doing an honest days work for an honest days wage.

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Phil GA

01-19-2004 14:34:01




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Thanks to NAFTA and the administration the got it enacted!!!!!



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Still Shocked in Oklahoma

01-19-2004 14:55:13




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Phil GA, 01-19-2004 14:34:01  
I fully understand the WHY of it, and the guys who talk about global economy are the WHO of it. NAFTA and all of that malarky. It is just sad that John Deere--another money-grubbing corporation, of course--is doing it. It wasn't long ago that Singer went Kaput, the last of the great US names to fall to "globalism".

You can't have good old-time US manufacturing in a (gag) "global economy", where the object is to allow businesses to exploit this or that foreign country's underpaid impoverished workers in order to produce their products at the lowest prices to maximize profits for their stockholders.

Do we sell/export enough manufactured goods to make it worth while to allow the imported, or partly imported, items to come in and compete? I think not. Do we want to retreat from this globalism horror and, through protective tariffs, get back to quality manufacturing by our own people? It would mean higher prices for us, but that would be ameliorated by US wages to US workers, who are the bulk of the purchasers, anyway.

Do we really want to keep on "globalizing" until everything we buy is from Communist China, and all our US dollars end up there? Ask the consumer, whether union member or not, whether he would be happy to buy US-made VCRs at $1,500.00 a pop instead of the $89.85 Chinese jobs at Wal-Mart.

I didn't intend to get you guys going so, but I got my own dander up again, so I shouldn't complain.

Shocked

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Dieselrider

01-19-2004 15:55:02




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Still Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 14:55:13  
You said it right in some of your post. It's not just corporate greed though, like you said in other parts it's all of us. If you give most consumers the choice they will choose the $89.95 vcr over the $1500 american made one. Everyone looks at price, and I'm sure you do too, so we are all to blame.



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Randy

01-19-2004 14:33:45




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
I have seen and read alot of good comments here regarding the issue. But think of one thing. Where do you think we would have been on December 8th, 1941 if most of our manufacturing was outside of the country? Do you think anyone else is thinking of this??? Just a thought, not a statement.



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Tom

01-20-2004 03:51:11




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Randy, 01-19-2004 14:33:45  
WW 2 was about money. Hitler got in because the economy of Germany was shot. Example, a woman parked a basket of German marks outside in order to go inside a store and look at something, when she game out the money laid on the sidewalk and someone had stolen the basket. The people were desperate because they were being punished for WW-1 a war where all participants were equally guilty.
If people in other countries had the jobs, it would not have been possible for the fools to gain power.
The Pearl Harbor bombing would not have happened in the first place.
We have the same choices today.
Butcher our boys for money or learn to live in peace.
Maybe we don't need $250,000 houses for blue collar workers, who have several $30,000 vehicles setting in the yard. Or how about $200 toys for 2 year old kids. I have seen it. Just get in the UAW.

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Harrison

01-19-2004 17:52:46




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Randy, 01-19-2004 14:33:45  
If I remember right our manufaturing and steel pruduction is all that kept us from losing WW 2 early in. HOW MANY STEEL PLANTS DO WE HAVE NOW? Boy I hope we don't tick nobody off.



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Randy

01-19-2004 18:06:17




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Harrison, 01-19-2004 17:52:46  
I read an article last year that said when the movie "Pearl Harbor" came out there were high school kids that thought the movie was a remake of the original. The whole Dec. 7th thing was a Hollywood story. They couldn't believe that it really happened. Maybe that's what the young people think about the jobs going overseas, also.



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jf

01-20-2004 03:04:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico?? in reply to Randy, 01-19-2004 18:06:17  
used to teach high school. I used to show the GRAPES OF WRATH to pound home the issues surrounding the great depression. There were students in my class that said it never happened-no one ever lived that way. The farther as a society we get from an event the less likely it happened. I finally quit telling them stories of how my dad was raised (in the 30's) I came off looking like a liar and a fruitloop.

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BJ

01-19-2004 15:18:07




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Randy, 01-19-2004 14:33:45  
No you are not the only that has had the same thought on that subject and to tell the truth it scares me quite a bit to think about it



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Shocked (and still grosse

01-19-2004 15:00:46




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Randy, 01-19-2004 14:33:45  
Good for you, Randy! How many of you think China is one of our dependable allies????? Shocked, and a littly Cynical



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Mark

01-19-2004 14:00:10




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Its real simple, 150 man hours of labor to assemble a tractor at union wage rate of around $28.00/hr including benefits=$4200. Same amount of labor in Mexico at $6.00/hr=$900. Thats $3300.per tractor. The US has priced ourselves out of the market.



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jls

01-19-2004 20:13:48




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Mark, 01-19-2004 14:00:10  
bill-pocky. tractors failing quality control and having to be reman -300; mordita -250; lost sales due to percieved lack of quality and resale value -750; costs of long distance manufacturing -500,ect ect. they are also looking at opening a mex market, dumping retirement costs, escaping gov regulation plus it's just cool to be management and travel, cut international deals and have a big rock to hold over the us workers heads come contract time. Every time what used to be Packard electric's contracts come up the local papers "examine" the mex plants

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jf

01-19-2004 15:52:46




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Mark, 01-19-2004 14:00:10  
correct!!!!!



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RayP(MI)

01-19-2004 13:38:09




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Electrolux - manufacturers of home appliances under a number of labels, has just announced they are closing the Greenville, Michigan plant that builds home refrigeration products, and moving production to Mexico. 2,700 Michigan laborers will be dismissed by 2005. Happening all over. They claim they can make $81 million a year by the move. Can you expect that other manufacturers will be any different. Needless to say, there's a pretty gloomy attitude here in mid/west Michigan.

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marlowe

01-19-2004 12:19:17




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
what did you think that all the JOHN DEERE shi= is USA made like they try to tell you it is. they are NO better then any other co. IT'S BOTTOM LINE MONEY!!!



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Philip

01-19-2004 11:38:03




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
John Deere has had a plant in Torrens Mexico (near Monterey) for years. They build the 4045 Power Tech engine there, possible even the 6068 Power Tech and others. We have used these on air compressors for quite some time. Before this, the old 2039 was built in Europe, I believe Spain. I would rather have an engine built in Mexico than China or Korea, but then again I would rather see it built here in the USA. Philip.

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Irv

01-19-2004 11:22:23




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Shocked & concerned are you? Where have you been - are you just looking to start a thread? American jobs have been going overseas for years. Our government buys into this - calculating that if they have the jobs, they won't hate us so much. History records what happens to those that appease the heathens. (Neville Chamberlain?)



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Fern(Mi)

01-19-2004 10:45:46




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
JD ag product including tractors are manufactored almost everywhere. Go to your State's ag-expo this Summer. Take a hard look at the those almost hidden ID plates that aren't necessarily located in the same across their product line.
You'll see Turkey, Japan, UK, France, one or more of the Russia-s, Italy. If you all think I'm misstaken, go to an AG show and see for youselves.
The way I see it. Our president is probably arranging it so's my grandchildren will be in the foriegn military police, or they be mowing those foriegn workers yards.
Sore.

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steveormary

01-19-2004 10:10:43




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  

And Mexico is complaining about jobs going to China or India or overseas somewhere.

It is a world economy you know. If we buy something made in USA is that United States of America or Usa Japan?



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Dick

01-19-2004 10:06:14




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 Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Shocked in Oklahoma, 01-19-2004 09:13:47  
Hello Shocked,,

Moving jobs to Mexico is nothing new. This has been happening for years and it wouldn't surprise me if JD is joining the deportation of jobs to Mexico. JD already has plants in Mexico where they build tractors for use in Mexico. Most likely, many of the parts used here in the U.S. are made in Mexico too. Why do you suppose that is? Cheap labor.
Now our President wants to legalize the millions of illegal immigrants who are here in the U.S. We should all be outraged with his idea. First it will be legalize 6 to 10 million, then it will be to allow them to bring their families here to live with them. This is how it went in 1986 and I'm confident it will happen again if Congress allows this to happen. The Presidents proposal will also lower wages even more than they are now. We should all be outraged and we all need to call our people in Congress and voice our opposition to the Presidents proposal.
Dick

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buickanddeere

01-19-2004 15:37:53




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Dick, 01-19-2004 10:06:14  
The politicians do the same here for the French out of one swing vote province. It happens everywhere.

Lifetime deportation for criminal acts committed by the illegal and soon to be legal persons would at least reduce the number of riff raff. Too bad they don't export criminals from here. They are not even escorted to an airplane when released form prison.

Foreign criminals fleeing persecution show up here with their passports in the airplane toilet. Say "refuge" and they are automatically entitled to welfare, medical and legal aid. Burdens our country with career criminals and tarnishes the image of the true refugee persons.

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Phil GA

01-19-2004 14:29:09




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Dick, 01-19-2004 10:06:14  
Actually, the pay per hour a person gets isn't as important as the productivity level. In other words a man is making twice as much per hour as another but producing three times more per hour as the other, the net labor cost is cheaper per unit. We have allowed our labor force to look down on manual labor as beneath them and have tried to gear our factory productivity levels to the lowest common denominator. Hence the use of much more automation and movement of labor intense jobs to places where it will be accomplished at the lowest cost per unit, which doesn't seem to be the United States at this time.

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Excuse me, - wrong!

01-19-2004 17:15:37




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Phil GA, 01-19-2004 14:29:09  
The amount per hour is important. These corps are not putting old equipment in these factories. They are getting state of the art equipment, often beeter and almost always newer than us plants. Thier productivity is excellent. In mexico the workers areone tenth of what our workers get paid. In china the workers get paid a fraction of that. Recently, Vicente Fox, the president of Mexico, complained about the chinese wages: " non existant" . My 2c Irv

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paul

01-19-2004 14:08:12




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Dick, 01-19-2004 10:06:14  
There is great irony in your message, tho it seems you & some replying don't see it.

Wages are too high in the USA to sustain production here, so jobs are exported. But we should support a system that promotes even higher wages here? This will hasten job loss, & be bad for us.

Pretty funny that you want it both ways. Can't be.

--->Paul



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BB

01-19-2004 10:28:15




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 Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to Dick, 01-19-2004 10:06:14  
Unfortunately, the high level of American wages forces the companies to do this. Same with hiring migrant and immigrant workers to do low paid jobs. American workers won't work at those jobs. Without these workers, the American economy would be devastated. If the companies had to pay the American workers what they think they should get, the companies would have to raise their prices to the point they would be priced out of business. Then more jobs would be lost. It is an unfortunate fact of life as we know it. We want high wages and low prices. The two are just not compatible.

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RB/CT

01-19-2004 10:44:45




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico???? in reply to BB, 01-19-2004 10:28:15  
Without even working, many of these immigrants, once citizens will be eligible for Supplemental Social Security pay, further draining the system. Just to get the Spanish vote, Bush would allow this, so he gets reelected.



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Frank Aldous

01-19-2004 12:39:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexico?? in reply to RB/CT, 01-19-2004 10:44:45  
Tell me about the high wages the people want. Go to the store too buy something. My wife just purchased a coat that was marked first $195.00. then it was marked down to $135.40 She just got it for $85 dollars. Work for min. wage and buy this. Pay the big price then these CEO can get there six figure bonses and laugh at use.



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T_Bone

01-19-2004 15:39:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to Mexi in reply to Frank Aldous, 01-19-2004 12:39:44  
Hi BB,

So what your saying the F250/350 made in the Kentucky plant should be higher than the F250/350 made at the Mexico plant because Americans make so much more in wages and Mexicans make less in wages?

If that were true then why does both thrucks sell for the same $35,000 price?

The one in Mexico is made with cheap labor thefor it should cost less!

It's called corperate GREED!

And yes when I ordered my new 2k2 F350 I specified it had to be a Kentucky plant made truck or no sale!

T_Bone

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cannonball

01-21-2004 07:18:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2004 15:39:09  
i have been on this board for a long time t bone has some read good answers..and this time i agree with him again..it is going to destroy the us then the world...just hang around and see..have nice day and may god bless



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Greed??

01-20-2004 08:05:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2004 15:39:09  
Corporate greed? YOU MEAN STOCK PRICE...it's all driven by the stock market. Which I'm sure some of you have IRA's and mutual funds in. Companies are doing this to stay competitive in the world market. And survive...it's just not pretty to look at.



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Vern_MI

01-19-2004 16:33:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2004 15:39:09  
Glad to hear that you bought a Ford T_bone. I like the idea of buying American however even though your truck was built at the Kentucky plant it still has a significant amount of imported parts.

America also has very stiff environmental (EPA) and worker safety laws (OSHA) which costs manufacturers plenty and those costs have to be passed along. Most other countries don't even come close.

If Ford didn't also build that vehicle in Mexico your cost would have been much higher. It is still very competitive and a combination of cost control, quality, reliability, and inovation must dominate in order to survive.

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jf

01-19-2004 15:57:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs to in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2004 15:39:09  
maintaining the profit margin. The same reason if you live next to the truck plant in louisville you pay the same shipping charge as one that is purchased in california-they cannot compete against themselves. If I can afford a 35000 truck I am probably feeding corporate greed and not doing much to stand against it.



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Bill in TN

01-19-2004 16:02:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving jobs in reply to jf, 01-19-2004 15:57:13  
I have yet to understand why a dodge truck, built in Mexico, is about the same price of a Ford or Chevy built in the good ole U. S of A



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max

01-20-2004 07:41:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving in reply to Bill in TN, 01-19-2004 16:02:56  
Bill
Might want to know that the Dodge City plant which also builds Dodge trucks is in Warren, Michigan, not Mexico.



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Mark

01-27-2004 09:47:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere mov in reply to max, 01-20-2004 07:41:42  
My '98 Dodge super cab is made in Mexico. Bought it new and never went back to shop,,,has 78k miles today. Bought it for what I thought was cheap fully loaded SLT Laredo for $20.5k. Ford and Chevy dealers were sitting on $27k and wouldn't budge..... .not that I wanted one. I can't imagine having more truck than this.....very happy with it.

Had the front brake rotor off the other day to grease the front wheel bearings and you ain't gonna believe this..... ..... ..GM was stamped on the inside of it (it's a casting with the GM logo)

I had heard that GM and Chrysler get their chassis from the same supplier..... ...course look at a Dodge chassis and a Chevy and they are apples and oranges..... ....ok which is the orange?

Mark
Huh.

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T_Bone

01-19-2004 18:53:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere moving in reply to Bill in TN, 01-19-2004 16:02:56  
Hi Vern,

Yes thats true but my 76 Dodge Power Wagon also had mexico parts in it. Atleast most of the truck was assymbled here in the States. Had it been Assymbled in Mexico then it would have been approx 90% Mexican.

For what it worth 60 mintues had a deal on TV awhile back that stated products that stated "made in China" were made from convic's inslaved from the gov't and most were innocent of there charges.

T_Bone

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Slowpoke

01-20-2004 00:01:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere mov in reply to T_Bone, 01-19-2004 18:53:17  
And if I remember correctly, the early '70s Post Office AMC Jeeps had Chevy engines marked "Made in Mexico".



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