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Redd

02-07-2004 17:49:27

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I know most of you are decent folks but why is it there are so many inconsiderate jerks? Ride right past a no tresspass sign and through your wheat. after all, any field is for everyones enjoyment right? Its not about city or country, rich or poor, male or female, its about being rude. These are the same people that cut you off in traffic, at the check out, park in handicap spots, etc. Why because they can and they "deserve" to. If they like riding so much why don't they buy their own land? Maybe this summer I should get dirtbike and ride on their lawn. Oh, but wait, you can't tresspass. I was taught to ask permission. When I was a kid I had a dirt bike and you know I don't remember one time cutting accross a neighbor's farm. Then again I was raised with manners. These same jerk's kids can be seen grabbing toys, pushing to be first, and blabbing in church, because they're sooo cute and rude just like mom and dad. Whew, I feel better. Thanks

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Russ Schultz

02-09-2004 15:58:31

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Hello,
I'm a Snowmobile and dirtbiker, I hate so see people shutting all of us down beacuse of a few badasses. I respect others land, and ask permisson whenever crops or livestock are possibly present. We all make mistakes sometimes, but around our area in Saskatchewan, we have earned respect as snowmobilers & motorcyclists.

the ones you speak of, sound like a different breed altogether. Drunk, unsafe driving, not showing respect to others property, etc. are the kind you need to give the old boot.

Thanks, Russ

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Redd

02-09-2004 17:19:44

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Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Russ Schultz, 02-09-2004 15:58:31

Russ, I hope you didn't mean to imply that you ONLY ask if livestock or crops are possibly present. I am so grateful to those who ask permission and I really don't care about fallow or stubble etc. My point was that its only about being decent and not a jerk. These same people wouldn't want me walking around their house in the summer or sitting on their car hood at the county fair. I would never use, cross, borrow, or touch anyones stuff without asking. I learned this when I was five. Thanks

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Steve Mahler

02-09-2004 06:45:19

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

I took a different approach with snowmobile/4 wheelers. 1st I made some wide trails with brush hog and marked them 'TRAIL' and 'STAY ON TRAIL'. This keeps 90% of the traffic where I want it.

In areas where I like to keep the nature preserved, I simply drop a big tree right across the trail - snowmobiles hate trying to get around stuff like this.

Last, in my fields with winter crops, I drag a few big dead trees out in the fallow strips, which gives the impression (in winter) that there are hazards all through the field. It has worked well. Lots of no trespass signs, and some dead trees.

In summer, I chase the 4 wheelers out with a fast truck and a mean dog. The word gets around :)

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Jared in VT

02-08-2004 17:08:13

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Redd, Some time ago I had an old farm on the coast of Maine. The farm was fallow for 6 years before I purchased it. One sunny Feburary day while splitting wood in the door yard, I watched the realitor who had sold us the place, attempt to tear down a fence so they could cross their snowsleds where they pleased. (the nut wanted to fight me when asked nicely to leave). The next year it was 6 seperate hunting parties simlutainously attempting to make a giant deer- drive-kill-zone in the pasture. The next year, a shot actually hit the house (constructed in 1821 from field stone) from other slob hunters. Another crew planted marijauna. Others attempted to steal broken down old equipment. Trucks and 4 wheelers were a daily occurrence. I had expected much of this when I bought the place. Locals quickly assume land use rights and appropriate "ownership" when farms go fallow or when land owners give them free rein. Land use changes and adjustments have an amazing ripple effect through whole communities. It takes a lot of patience and paying attention to smooth it out. My technique was to take care of this neglected land and property, confront the tresspassers in the most direct and pleasant way possiable, (I did remove a model 94 Winchester from the hands of one surly dude)and get the message out around the town that I was staying for awhile, and I was paying attention. I was not going to make trouble, but I was equally not about to let it darken my door either. In three years people got the message and the farm got back it's respect. I've had a simular experiance here in Vermont. You've got to be up front and out there on the land. It's not a cure all but it goes a long way. Take care to all on this one! Jared

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Uncle

02-10-2004 04:12:05

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Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Jared in VT, 02-08-2004 17:08:13

How did you nicely remove the Winchester 94 from the dude? That sounds interesting

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Jared in VT

02-10-2004 10:57:19

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Re: Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Uncle, 02-10-2004 04:12:05

Uncle, This was a few years ago, hopefully I've learned a few things since. I was watching a young whitetail doe cross the back pasture. There was a gun shot and a puff of rock dust followed from the corner of the field stone house, (my young sons bedroom). At this time there were always big hunting parties hanging around so I ran through the November snow toward where I felt the shot came from. Sure enough there was a hunting party of 6 or 8 guys. I was some hot, and I aggresivly gave them a chance to admit if any of the party had fired at my house?!
One big bearded member of the party was equaly agressive in return and refused to answer the question. The other guys were pretty quiet. So I zeroed in on him. He was running his mouth and waving his gun barrel around, so I just reached up, gave it a quick twist and wrenched in from his gloved hands. This surprized him considerably, and he shut up. The rest of the party reacted like naughty kids caught in the act. I sniffed the muzzle of the barrel, jacked a shell out and completed my pop quiz of these hunters. It wasen't them. Things calmed down a bit and I returned the Winchester to big beard. They never came back as a hunting party. It was one of those things that helped to establish the farm as more than a free fire zone. It was a very bad idea to grab that mans rifle, and I regret it today. I was unarmed myself though, and 8 to 1 ood's are very poor. I figured that I was already a victum, and it was time for that to stop. The model 94 has that funny little lever action and I knew that if he didn't let go immediatly, a quick twist would bend his fingers backwards and force him to release. But I never looked to see if the hammer was back. I did not lose my temper, but was dangerously angry. He did run his mouth, but ultimatly showed better judgement than me. I thought I was just defending the farm. And so i did! Take care Uncle, Jared

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Had this discussion: Can'

02-08-2004 14:29:37

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

You can't win this one! An old country saying, "Locks only keep honest people honest." It also holds true for gates, fences, chains, cables, no trespassing signs, etc. Those who would run all over your farm, be it winter wheat, alfalfa hay, tree farm, harassing your livestock, it doesn't matter, they'll run you over at will. I have hayland, Christmas trees, and sheep and llamas - they're no match for a snowmobile or several. If you try to block their access, they'll go over, through, around, or cut it down. There's no way you can secure an entire farm. I'm looking out my dining room window right now, over a hayfield where they played slalom with my trespassing signs. They can do an awful lot of trespass at 100mph. If you do catch them, and try to intercept them, they'll practically run you down and give you some inappropriate salutes as they do. They're moving far too fast to get their registration numbers, if they bothered to register. Called an enforcement officer the other day with a description of one that has been haunting me this winter. "Yeah," she said, " - you just described half the snowmobilers in _____ ___ county." Frankly, law enforcement hasn't the tools to get them, and really doesn't much care. They consider it a "victimless crime." Not only do snowmobilers not understand "private property," and "no trespassing," they don't understand "not on the traveled portion of the roadway," nor do they understand "the basic speed law." I suspect many don't understand drunk driving laws either. Not only are the sleds faster than ever before, they're heavier - packing the snow more, and deeper - doing your crop more damage. They're quieter than they used to be - you don't have much of any warning, to grab your hat & coat and run out in the yard either. Your trespassers may not be just the neighbor kids either - I have managed to catch up with a few over the years, and have found that several have been many miles from home - range of the newer machines is in the tens of miles. They don't know your farm from Adams, and what's more they don't much care - your field just looks inviting ---- WHOOM!!!! These guys mothers didn't do a very good job, no doubt. Respect needs to be taught at home.

If anyone has really managed to keep them off successfully, I'd sure like to know how! (And no, my corn stubble is not fair game either - corn stubble today, hayland tomorrow, tree plantation ... (SORRY, this subject pushes my hot button.) RayP(MI)

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Here we go again

02-08-2004 06:19:08

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Almost made it without some idiot talking about his guns,LOL.
And if someone is riding on your crop then there is a problem,but you can ride on my corn stubble all day.

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Hugh MacKay

02-08-2004 04:06:18

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Redd: I have read all these posts and I think there is a better way. I had a situation where a creek flowed through my field from highway to river at back side of field. I built good truck road along the creek to river, then down stream along river to where the locals called the Big Bend, a popular fishing spot. There was a 1/2 acre gravel bar at the big bend, nothing would grow on it. I built the road to give better access to fields with heavy trucks without crossing actual field.

Until I built this road the only way to the fishing hole was a 2,000 foot walk. After the road people could and did drive their cars right to the gravel bar. Shortly I noticed some people didn't always like the road I had built. This field was some distance from my house, so hard to catch them. I could have installed a locked gate, but then I would need to stop and open it always.

I went to an old retired guy that used the fishing hole a lot. I said, " Brayden here is my problem, you and I don't need a gate, can you stop this driving on my fields by some users." There was never another wheel track on my fields, the old guy actually organized the group doing improvments to the road and area in general. They even put in picnic tables, under a big oak tree. It was a great spot to stop for lunch on a lon hot day on tractor.

Here where I live now, and I don't know the whole arrangment. Snowmobile club collects maps from farmers in fall showing them fields they don't want snowmobile traffic. The club then flags routes for snowmobiles at first snow fall. This is quite broad based as snowmobilers have thousands of miles of trail, they police it. I also know you can travel 200 miles from home on this net work of trails. Honey always works better than vinigar.

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Paul Janke

02-07-2004 22:49:53

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

It doesn't require hay meadows or wheat fields. We have 1.67 acres with two houses on it, and there are tracks on even that amount of land from four wheelers and snowmobiles. Some of it which we just spent time and money to try to seed to lawn. Neighbor dogs think our yard is the outhouse and our trash barrels are the feed bin. As a side note, plans are worked out to keep the dogs out of our trash. The metal barrels are going to be set on PVC pipe fittings. An electric fencer will be grounded as it should be directly alongside. The barrel will be hooked to the hot side. We may "happen" to throw out more leftovers than normal right after the fencer is hooked up. I think it won't take long to cure the dog problem. Hmmmm..... I wonder if the riders would be looking for kitchen scraps..... ..

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Solve dog problem with th

02-08-2004 03:49:20

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Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Paul Janke, 02-07-2004 22:49:53

Get a BB gun and plink the dogs right in the rear when they %rap in your lawn and eat out of the garbage can. They will get a bad feeling when they come over your house.

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Bill in Ohio

02-08-2004 05:44:15

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Re: Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Solve dog problem with th, 02-08-2004 03:49:20

I personally agree with that idea,BUT, around here, anyway, it is not such a good sport. I have a neighbor that did a bit of that and the law came down on him hard, cost him well over $1000 and he is on probation. It seems the law responds to the highest bidder, whoever can produce more fine money.

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norbert kanzler

02-07-2004 20:59:12

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

It is snow sleds in winter and ATV in summer. I give permission for one trail accross farm but no they have to ride all over ruins hay but nothing I can do about it

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Sure there is

02-08-2004 03:47:00

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Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to norbert kanzler, 02-07-2004 20:59:12

Just flatten those tires with glass schards or spikes, those ATV tires aint cheap.

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old

02-07-2004 20:56:05

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Don't have the snowmoblie problem but motorcycles and 4 wheelers in my creek spooking my horses and goats. Called the law and when I went to stop them I had to show them my big GUNS. (44-MAG ) just to stop them to talk. Law said I had the right as long as I didn't shoot them haven't seen them since, but there is always next year. But what is really bad they told me it was ok nobady owned that land, well I told them well I do I'm somebody

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Todd in southern In.

02-07-2004 20:45:48

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Sounds like some people around here who buy 20 acres and think that it gives them permission to trample on a few hundred of everyone else's.

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Bob

02-07-2004 19:25:03

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

I beieve prospective purchasers of snowmobiles and 4-wheelers should have to prove they own adequate property to ride them on, or have some kind of arrangement to secure property to ride them on.

Abusers riding on other's property without permission should be dealt with severely.

I think the noise the @#*& things make in the quiet countryside is abhorable, not to mention what they chase or trample.

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Harrison

02-07-2004 18:35:05

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Sounds like you two might use that old Tennessee Three Kick Rule on them tresspassers.

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Fern(Mi)

02-07-2004 18:18:02

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Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Redd, 02-07-2004 17:49:27

Got same problem. Inconsiderates riding all over our alfalfa fields. Some say this activity doen't hurt the hay. I think otherwise.
We've got some fields without riders on them outlasting those riden on.
But, what do I see or know?
Then there's those who drive through the fences. Don't say nothing. It isn't thier livestock what gets out.
And, every body wants permission without asking. Those what I catch, never. Them what does, maybe, depends upon trade.
Hunting rights are a pressious commodity around here; and I dont' pass them out lightly. There's a trade for everyone of them.
Likewise, I feel better also. Thanks again.

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steveormary

02-07-2004 20:02:18

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Re: Re: OT Snowmobiles and Winter Wheat in reply to Fern(Mi), 02-07-2004 18:18:02

Had a feller stop in some years ago and ask if he could ride his snowmobile in my pasture. Thought about it and told him no. He was a little up set. He had bought this snowmobile and found out there were alot of places he couldnt ride. Same with fellers who wanted an acreage to use for and auto scrap yard. Now tractors might have been different.

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