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SB in AR

02-18-2004 06:04:44




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We are fairly new to collecting old tractors, and need some advice on loading a couple of problems. I'm assuming the best way to load a "non-running" tractor is to have a winch mounted to the front of the trailer, but are there other ways? How big a winch do you need? 4000#, 6000#, 8000#, BIGGER? How do you guys do it?




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scotc

02-20-2004 22:05:08




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
we jackknife our dump & tagalong and hook chains together over the front of the trailer, then pull the dead one straight on from in front of the trailer with another tractor.



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Redman

02-19-2004 05:01:08




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
if you have another tractor handy of a good pick-up it is just as easy to use a push-pole,incase you don't know what it is it's a pipe that you hook drawbar to drawbar and you can push or pull.comes in handy for getting them to the trailer too.



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Fred Milner

02-18-2004 18:19:36




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
I use a cable and a snatch block. I have loaded several tractors and equipment with it and it works very well. I take a choker and put it around the I-beam on the front of the trailer and snap the snatch block into it. One end of the cable to the tractor and the other to a tractor or truck and pull it up with no problem. I pull from the back of the trailer so it doesn't put a side strain on the trailer. I always thought that might bend something if it got hung up somewhere. A winch would be nice but this works good until then. As always be carefull, things go wrong and people get hurt.

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Jim in michigan

02-18-2004 16:12:39




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
well,..what we do is this,,I have a cable wth loops in it on the cable is a pulley...I hook the pulley up to a ring on the trailer, then one end of the cable to the dead tractor and the other to whatever is handy... I go out from the trailer at a 90 degree angle with the running vehicle...I have never found one I couldnt load this way,,make sure you have a good cable,,It takes very little power to pull something on this way,,,,Jim

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Bob

02-18-2004 10:44:33




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
I have loaded and hauled heavy equipment for several years. The absolute BEST way to load is to install a good 5Ton or better winch. I have loaded from the side on several occasions, but it is never really a safe way to do it. If you have the same operator and same equipment every time you might luck out. If not, things can turn bad in a hurry. Don't mean to act like I know everything, but have learned the hard way. It's a lot cheaper in the long run, especially since you seem to be in this for the long run.

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Bill R

02-18-2004 10:03:47




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
Once loaded dead John Deere "R" onto trailer by pulling alsongside, with a UB Minneapolis, in Feb. In North Dakota, like -25 temp with 25 mph winds, it was interesting to say the least oh (2.5 ft snow too) The UB couldn't do it alone, 560 gas helped on other side, finally got it on there, pulled it off with D5 when we got home. That particular time it was tough, but have pulled quite a few up on trailers by pulling alongside with great success.

Bill R
A // B // GW // R Diesel

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big fred

02-18-2004 09:41:24




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
How big a tractor? I got a friend bought a bunch of little Allises and the seller helped load them by picking them up with his backhoe and putting them on a trailer. If you've got a nice heavy hoist, that would work too. Getting it off the trailer is easier, as you have gravity working for you.



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Bill Smith

02-18-2004 09:16:32




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
The last time I bought a non-running tractor, I had it delivered as part of the deal when I bought it. The one before that, the guy I bought from helped load it with another tractor. He had a push bar (a tongue that could hook to a draw bar at both ends). Parked the trailor in front of non-running tractor, hooked the other tractor on behind of non-running tractor, and just pushed the non-running tractor right up the ramps and on to the trailor. If I remember right, he hooked the push bar to his draw bar and used reverse. I sat on the non-running tractor and steered it.

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mj

02-18-2004 08:58:21




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
third party image

This kind of sums it all up....Roger?



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Mike M

02-18-2004 10:48:55




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 Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to mj, 02-18-2004 08:58:21  
That does sum it up pretty good. I have heard of more tractors flipping over loading than working in the fields.



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Jeff in Va.

02-18-2004 08:46:01




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
My brother and I had to move my father's Ford 600 series some time ago. I backed my truck with the trailer up to the tractor. After cranking on a come-along for a few strokes, we decided there had to be a better way. My brother backed his truck alongside mine, hooked to the tractor, and pulled it onto the trailer. Not necessarily the best way I'm sure, but it beat the heck out of the come-along.

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Philip

02-18-2004 08:45:58




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
I have used the comealong several times, but it is just too time consuming and tiring. I now parallel pull with another tractor or pickup truck. I do the same for unloading. This works great for tracors uo to 7000 pounds, which is the largest I have ever loaded. You could also use a solid push bar, like you see at tractor pull guys using. Philip.



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mj

02-18-2004 08:31:45




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
I have a 24' flat-deck bumper-pull trailer with the rear 4' drooped at an angle. I used a Wyeth 2 ton come-along (double-lined to a snatch block) until recently when I mounted an electric winch (Warn 4 ton, also double-lined to reduce amperage draw). The hand winch has loaded full-sized pickups and various tractors; the toughest being a VAC with 2 flats on the rear. It was slow but sure, the electric is, of course, faster and easier. I always block the trailer at the rearmost crossmember to keep it level when the load starts up the dovetail ramp and engage the tow vehicles' 4wd to have all four wheels locked with the transmission and emergency brake.

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Dan Kelley

02-18-2004 07:46:31




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
Well, that makes for a good story.
A friend of mine bought a Case "aircraft tug" sight unseen from some guy in Oklakoma. They dropped the tractor off at the hangar in the middle of the week, when no one was around. Not only was it not running, but the motor was stuck and cracked down the middle of the block.

Not too long after, my friend died, never having seen how badly he had been ripped off. The hangar crew shuffled the tractor off to the corner and essentially tried to forget it. I bought it from them for scrap steel price, thinking to restore it in memory of my dead friend.

16' 2-axle flatbed utility trailer. No brakes. Wooden deck. For those who do not know, the rear fenders of a Case VAIW-3 are solid cast iron, and weigh 875lbs each. I came equipped with a come-along, some car chains and load binders.

The start of winching the tractor was OK. In neutral, it rolled fairly easily, despite the lack of front tires. Once it hit the ramps, things started getting tough, an uphill battle. Surprisingly, at one point, it started getting easier, even though the tractor was still on the ramps. That's when I noticed that the trailer had been pushed down so far that the slope of the ramps had lessened considerably. The rear of my truck was hiked up way into the air. It was still on the rear tires, but...

Once the tractor hit the bed of the trailer, the boards started cracking and creaking. I put some 3/4" plywood on the trailer to help spread the weight of the tractor, and then started to winch the tractor onto the plywood.

Well, winching the tractor onto the trailer finished off rather smoothly. The rear of my truck settled down, and with a little movement of the tractor forward and back, I was able to get the load balance about right. The trip across town to my home was uneventful, but I could definitely feel that tractor back there.

Fast-forward a couple years. This scene was repeated for my move to Colorado. Then again, from a storage yard to my new home. Each time, I heard those floor boards crack and groan. Each time, I cringed the whole time I was hauling it.

Last year, I bought a Farmall M. Fortunately, it is running and working. I wonder how I'll move that, if I ever leave Colorado Springs!

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jed

02-18-2004 07:33:08




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
We loaded an F20 by turning it over with the hand crank. We put it in 2nd gear and took turns cranking. Actually we moved it about 100 yards that way. A winch would have been easier, but that was what we came up with under those circumstances.



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Bill Smith

02-18-2004 09:00:13




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 Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to jed, 02-18-2004 07:33:08  
I backed a non-running M uphill into a shed by hand crank. Tip- take spark plugs out so you are not cranking compression. Makes it alot easier.



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T_Bone

02-18-2004 07:10:55




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
Hi SB,

Read the below website and pay close attention to the use of the snatch block.

A single "part" line snatch block cuts the line load weight by 1/2 but doubles the travel speed. any number of snatch blocks can be in serries.

T_Bone



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Fred OH

02-20-2004 12:09:10




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 Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to T_Bone, 02-18-2004 07:10:55  
T_Bone...good article on rigging and related stuff...I must admit that I have never abided by all those rules...but it's nice to know they exist to be dialed into that lifting job you're not too sure about. I always had a tendency to have a larger than needed lifting device, sheaves and shackles and cable so I wouldn't be sneaking up on some components limits. Another thing that I did that I never seen in his bible was when my cable got visually worn...I turned it around and used the new end. Learn something everyday. My advice...same as others...everyone that rigs, loads and uses winches should bookmark. The only cable that I ever broke was on one of those little hand cable pullers...3/16" aircraft cable...2700# break strength? Lucky it didn't smack me in the face...I'm ugly enough without that. Thanks for the link up. Fred OH

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BillD

02-18-2004 09:17:30




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 Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to T_Bone, 02-18-2004 07:10:55  
Tee Bone where can I find that article or book That is the best piece of information on recovery or loading that I have seen Should be required reading for any one using a winch.



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T_Bone

02-18-2004 17:33:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to BillD, 02-18-2004 09:17:30  
Hi Bill,

As far as I know you just read the whole write up. He has several other articles on that website you might want to look at. There's also seveal articles refferenced that deal with rigging that is also useful. A search for crane rigging should show up with some good info.

T_Bone



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Strong back,weak mind

02-18-2004 06:12:27




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 Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to SB in AR, 02-18-2004 06:04:44  
I use a "come-a-long", or hand winch, tiring but effective. Have moved 2 M's and 2 H's, all were dead, one didn't roll. Winch was rated at 6000lbs. A rollback would be nice;-)



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goofus

02-19-2004 07:00:12




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 Re: Re: Loading Dead Tractors in reply to Strong back,weak mind, 02-18-2004 06:12:27  
I make my mother n law good n mad, then let her push them on. goof



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