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Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B

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Todd in Ohio

02-18-2004 09:32:36




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Ok, I may be opening a can of worms here, but here we go. I am looking for my first tractor, just to use here on our acres. Mostly to be used for pulling a trailer for fence mending and firewood. Would also like to use it to blade the trails and driveway. I know that either of these tractors would need an after-market 3-pt hitch. According to Nebraska tests, they are about equal. Does anybody have experience with both of these tractors? Here is your chance out there to sway a new guy to your brand, so let me hear it.

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Mark in MO

02-19-2004 09:33:55




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
For mowing and cultivating the A-Super A is hard to beat. But keep in mind that they are not the safest on hilly ground and will turn over fairly easy. Around here a "good" A will bring $3000, you can probably find a tractor that suits your needs for less $ that already has 3 PT. Just my O
Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO



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Toocold

02-19-2004 16:41:30




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Mark in MO, 02-19-2004 09:33:55  
I was born and raised on an AC B. It is one of the strongest and most durable for its' size. The only problem was the light front end. Once you had the weight distribution solved it was hard to find anything that would out pull it. I've watched my Dad back into the tracks of 8N's, JD M's and a larger farmall once and pull out the stuck implement. Again you had to put someone on the front to keep the ole girl from raising up too far. I'd go with the B. Plus you have room for a special rider right next to you on the wide seat.

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Dave in Mo

02-19-2004 09:30:14




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
We have both. I think the Farmall is a better machine, slightly.



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Robert in W. Mi

02-19-2004 07:55:15




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
I also have had the "A" and the "B" at the same time. I had 11.2x24 tires on both tractors and the "A" was the better tractor to pull anything with. The 4 speed tranny makes a HUGE difference, and also the IH motor has more torque at low rpm's! With the "B" not haveing a very slow first gear it "needs" more low rpm torque as even at a fast idle it goes too fast for a lot of things.

My brother built a snow plow for the front of his "B", and he complains all the time that it goes too fast in low gear.

You will pay more to buy an "A", but i think in this case, it's well worth it. I sold my "B" and still have the "A".

Don't get me wrong, i like Allis tractors, but it's an easy decision for me between these two models!!

BTW, for what a nice super A cost, you can find a decent Allis WD or WD45, and that's a heck of a lot nicer tractor than either the Farmall "A", or the Allis B!!!!

Robert

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Robert in Md

02-18-2004 19:35:44




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
I have a 54 Super A and an 1948 AC B and use both daily in summer. The Super A has a 4 speed trans and live hydralics that work great on its one row cultivator. The B has a crude cultivator arrangement and not live hydrolic pickup . Cultivator will not raise with clutch pushed in. Both work great with their one bottom 16 inch plow. The A is easier to get on and off if the cultivator is on to step on. I have a 6 foot pull disk and the B does better pulling the disk in sandy ground. All and All the Super A is a better engineered machine with alot more implements available. The B has a tough little motor but is much cruder designed with alot of welded up components. Also the Super A will sell for about double an AC B. Just my humble opinion as I use both. Robert

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RWK in WI

02-18-2004 17:21:08




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
If I am not mistaken the A is an offset tractor meaning the engine is set to the left of the center of the tractor and the driver sits to the right. The B is an inline tractor meaning the driver stradels (spelling?) the transmission. Since the B doesn't have an platform for the driver it is harder to get on but it has a bigger / more comfortable seat. If you are going to need a 3point would you be better of with a Ford N?
Just something to think about.

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Rob

02-18-2004 16:42:49




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
I have a super A that I got when my grandfather died. It is a good old tractor. I use it to rake hay and pull wagons around all the time. It has an IH dozer blade on the front. If you could find one of those you wouldn't need 3 point. Rob



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JeffC

02-18-2004 11:59:54




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 Re: Farmall Super A -vs- Allis B in reply to Todd in Ohio, 02-18-2004 09:32:36  
Hopefully you haven't started a color war. Both tractors are great! I have an Allis B (among other ACs), so I'm partial to persian orange. Given that, I don't think you can go too wrong with either. The Allis is probably a little lighter in weight than the Farmall, but will probably do the same things. You can probably find an Allis for a litle less money than a Farmall A or Super A in comparable shape. The Allis is very easy to work on- the Farmall may also be easy to take care of. I'd look around, try to find one of either in good shape, and then go for it. I would suggest waiting a little longer to find a tractor in nice condition that doesn't need much (or any) immediate work; this will almost always be less expensive than buying a fixer-upper. When looking at an Allis B, later models (late 1940's and later-I forget the year) have a larger engine (125c.i. vs. 113c.i.) and considerably more horsepower than early models. You may also want to consider an Allis C (same size but a two row (width) tractor) or the later CA ( a really nice tractor in the same size class with more horsepower and a type of "live" power).

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