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JF

03-09-2004 16:23:36




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Has anyone have any tricks to get a calf to take to the bottle,haveing trouble with one?
Just loses interest in it.




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JF

03-10-2004 15:20:04




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
Got a diff. bottle and nipple size and shes eating now.
Thanks for the advise.
Will definitly help now and in the future.



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KX

03-10-2004 11:23:03




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
Boy that could take a lot of time and it could take a lot of time and still not work out. I would just rather send it to someone else to gamble with. As one post says below, if it didn't get collostrum within its first 24 hrs, your chances are slim of even survival. I know many will argue this but of ALL the calves I have seen that did not get collostrum from the mother, they didn't make it. Lately I have seen 2 of my neighbor's develop some infection in their joints that makes them unable to stand. That replacement collostrum may be OK but never worked for me. There is some good advice in this thread, I hope one of these suggestions works for you. Best of luck.

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JOHN (LA)

03-10-2004 11:49:38




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 Re: Re: Calfs in reply to KX, 03-10-2004 11:23:03  
Stiff swollen joints on a young calf is usually navel ill. Caused by bacteria getting in at the navel cord opening and they can get this even if they have had their colostrum. That's why you should disinfect the navel cord at birth.

But yes I agree any calf that has not had colostrum in the first 24 hours is 99% dead. That's why you keep some frozen colostrum and replace every 4-6 months for new to the farm antibodies produced by mother cows.

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KX

03-10-2004 13:51:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Calfs in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-10-2004 11:49:38  
John, We did suspect that it was infection in from the naval cord. I had to pull a calf Sunday morning and it and the cow (previously a heifer) made it OK but I did not have Iodine to disinfect the naval cord. It seems that it has been taken off the shelf in feed stores in my area because scumbags are using it to make some kind of dope. You have to get it from a Vet. I seen the calf yesterday and I worry about that naval infection but so far it seems OK, I attributed it to good collostrum from the mom, Ive never had any get that stiff joint deal. Apparently when they get it, the vet cant do anything to cure it. the last one my neighbor had, we gave it LA200 a few times and the Vet gave him some daily shots that still didn't help it, he had to dispose of the calf. It got so bad it couldnt stand at all and you couldnt straighten its legs with all your might, its joints LOCKED down tight. Anyway thanks for the advice. i am going to the vet to get Iodine first thing in the AM for any new calf I can catch being born and keeping my fingers crossed for the ones on the ground.

Keith
Texas

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Farmer Gene (WI)

03-10-2004 06:35:48




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
First I would take it's temperature to be sure it doesn't have an infection, normal is 101.5 f if high some antibiotics should be given. Calves tend to get pneumonia quite easily if in drafty places.I would guess it has scours tho so get it on electrolites right away, also if you go to the Vet. get some Pro Bio paste, it has good bacteria and stimulates their appetite, makes them perk right up.

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JF

03-09-2004 19:20:13




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
I have tried to change hole size and it does help out.
It does not have scours and seems very healthy.
Will try something sweet also.Thanks for the help.
I will get it to work Im sure.



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JOHN (LA)

03-10-2004 08:19:09




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 Re: Re: Calfs in reply to JF , 03-09-2004 19:20:13  
Like Gene said take his temperature. Should be 101.5 but can be as high as 102.5 if on milk replacer. The replacers raises their temp. a little. Any thing 103 or above should be treated and watched closely. Even though it does not have scours now it my have a tummy ache. Put it on the electrolyte mix I gave you in other post for one or two feedings. It will not hurt it even if it is not sick and will settle its tummy and give it some much needed energy from not eating.

Remember use dextrose only (white corn syrup) NOT SUCROSE (table sugar) at any time for no reason. If it is not sick sucrose will make it sick.

From your second post I think it just does not like the rubber nipple because it is not mom. The hole in nipple should be large enough that when you turn bottle over milk drips out and runs out with a little pressure. If you have to squeeze firm to get it to run out enlarge the hole. Keeping a nipple with extra large hole for first feeding practice is a good idea.

Good Luck
John

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FRANK

03-09-2004 18:09:46




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
PUT YOUR FINGER IN IT'S MOUTH THEN SLIDE NIPPLE IN. IT WILL WORK EVERYTIME. ALSO MAKE SURE THE NIPPLE HAS A BIG ENOUGH HOLE IN IT. USE WARM WATER WITH THE MILK ERPLACER. WITH THIS YOU WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM.



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kyhayman

03-09-2004 18:07:04




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
It's possible that the calf is premature. I've had a few premeies over the years who have not developed a sucking reflex. Sometimes had to feed them for days with a stomach tube (and then still lose some).

1. Has he had colostrum? If not and he's over 24 hours old not much chance to save him no matter what.

2. Best 'tool' I have to save calves is a stomach drenching tube. I order them from Jeffer's but if you need one asap can buy from most vets.

Good luck.

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RayP(MI)

03-09-2004 17:33:35




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
Suggestions, 1. is the flow sufficient> if not, you may have to modify the nipple. 2. see there is some milk on the nipple when she starts, so there's a taste on the nipple. 3. you might try something sweet on the nipple - sugar, honey, molasses, etc.



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JOHN (LA)

03-09-2004 16:29:40




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 Re: Calfs in reply to JF, 03-09-2004 16:23:36  
Is he taking some of it but not drinking all or is he just not like the rubber nipple because it is not Mom. Are you using replacer or moms milk.



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JOHN (LA)

03-09-2004 17:47:49




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 Re: Re: Calfs in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-09-2004 16:29:40  
Will not and never has taken a bottle nipple;

It is just scared and does not realize what the bottle is. Have had a few like this from time to time. Stand with its neck between your legs. Squeeze the neck between legs to protect yourself. HA HA.. With one hand hold it under the jaw and stick your finger in its mouth to open. Put the bottle in mouth and squeeze lightly to push out some milk. Make sure some is coming out. If the flow is slow cut the hole a little bigger. Every nipple I have ever gotten has needed enlarging. Let it catch its breath and squeeze again. If you can get a half a bottle down like this and it is still not sucking stop and come back in morning. It should be hungry by then and accept the bottle better. If not use step two.

Calf will take some milk but will not drink all. Has taken a bottle before but has stopped.
Does it have scours? It may be getting sick. My wife would give it pedialyte and has gotten a calf to take this after I have all but given up. I like this other mix better because it is sweet a the calf will eat for that reason. 20 level teaspoons of Karo (white corn syrup) DO NOT USE TABLE SUGAR AT ALL FOR NO REASON !!!!! !!! They can not digest sucrose !!!!! !!! 4 teas. table salt
3 teas. baking soda
1 gal warm water

While I have had trouble getting a calf to take a bottle before one of the three methods has all ways worked for me.

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crazydizzy

03-09-2004 23:41:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Calfs in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-09-2004 17:47:49  
you seem like you know a lot about raising calves where did you learn these tricks



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JOHN (LA)

03-10-2004 07:45:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Calfs in reply to crazydizzy, 03-09-2004 23:41:50  
Lets just say..... ..
My kids have raised 1 or 2 calves before
I have raised 1 or 2 before (in fact I have 8 bottles in my kitchen cabinet)
My dad has raised 1 or 2 before My grand dad has raised 1 or 2 before
My great grand dad has raised 1 or 2 before
ect..... ect.....ect..... ..

Dairy farming.
While I do not have a dairy myself (Do not like the hours and investment returns) that does not mean I do not know how to do it. I now sometimes raise dairy replacement heifers as a hobby. You know its in the blood.

The mix I gave is a simple electrolyte solution that can be found in any dairy farm management book and that any dairy farmer will know or he would not be in business very long.

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onlytony

03-09-2004 17:17:59




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 Re: Re: Calfs in reply to JOHN (LA), 03-09-2004 16:29:40  
I had a calf that never did take a bottle, I had
to feed her with a turkey baster.



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Harley1983

03-10-2004 23:33:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Calfs in reply to onlytony, 03-09-2004 17:17:59  
Had an orphan last year that wouldn't take a bottle and figured it for dead anyway, so got a kinda gentle cow and her little calf into a fairly tight pen, put the orphan in with them, and within a day everybody was happy, and the old girl raised them both from then on and you couldn't seperate the two calves. Now I keep an eye out for good-natured cows just in case I need a foster mother.



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