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Tire Service Cost's- is this high ?

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Billy NY

06-29-2004 18:37:50




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I just had 1 new 13.6 x 28 4 ply R-1 Firestone mounted and loaded with calcium. I removed the wheel from the tractor prior to the service guy arriving, he came out dismounted the old tire, I then cleaned, sandblasted, and painted the rim which was in good shape with zinc rich galvanize spray to protect against corrosion, he then returned, mounted the new tire with a new tube and loaded with calcium.

It took an hour to dismount the old tire and and an hour & 1/4 to mount a new one, and load with 200 lbs of calcium.

Here's what the bill says:

13.6" x 28" rear tractor tire mounted $222.00

Tube $35.00

200 lbs. Calcium Chloride $60.00

Road Service - Calcium Pump used $200.00 each each time, dismount & mount

(Labor quoted at $50.00/hour road service)

With tax the total was: $562.00


Just curious as to what everyone else is paying, I do know that size and ply tire typically goes for $185.00 but think this bill is a bit high. I did the other side last year with a new rim and it was about the same as this one using the old rim. I'm all for someone making a decent buck, know tire work is tough work, and I've rarely ever questioned anyones bill/invoice as I'm no cheapo, but something does not seem right so I thought I'd see what the consensus is here, thanks !

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LELAND

07-01-2004 22:04:47




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
If you were smart you would have driven tractor to shop if possiable that would have saved you a ton in service call costs . like the guys who own a truck know the operating costs. our service truck sat idle 98% of the time that is costly for it just to set there idle the bank still wants their money . and those guys telling you to do it your self shop is cheaper. i dont know how many tubes i pinched learning how i work on farm rears ,a few tractors left with at least 5 -10 patchs on a tube it not as easy as they make it sound let a pro handle it and simple take it to shop that way you can get 2 tires for what you paid for 1

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bob g ny

07-01-2004 07:19:28




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
with those prices mail order is the way to go .. tucker tire sells apair on rims and delivered for about the same price they charged you for one. if it was me i d go for a new pair....



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TomR Ont.

06-30-2004 15:27:16




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
Billy: THANKS finely someone has let the old cat out of the bag.
That is in regards to prices, I need the two back tires re & re & remove & replace the calcium and fix the rims (calcium spot rot) new hole for valve stem & new tubes. I was thinging a total of $200 plus the tubes. From what you are saying you have saved me from quite a large $ $ $ $ shock.

It's the same with parts, someone can always get them for you, but the price is a secret, or maybe it's if you have to ask the price you can't afford it.
THANKS AGAIN.

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Billy NY

06-30-2004 19:03:27




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to TomR Ont., 06-30-2004 15:27:16  
Yeah, I should have gotten a definitive breakdown prior to, and checked it out thoroughly. I've seen people wrestle with large tires in the construction business and always figured it best to bring it to a shop or get a service call, especially if you are not equipped to do tire work.

Now after watching him do the job on this size tire, I see a lot I could have done myself, especially in a pinch when $$$ are tight, otherwise just get the best rate you can and pay the man. If you have a machine down and its costing you big $$$, you have no choice but to get a service guy, money well spent, compared to downtime losses. I've always said you pay for knowlege, so next time I'll do better if I can. Trying to drum up some interim work until my next gig kicks off, so I'm trying to keep the $$ tight, LOL never works though, always something !!!

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T_Bone

06-30-2004 05:29:16




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
Hi Billy,

Here's what a typical service truck costs;

Labor $20hr
Med Ins & Pension & vacation $10hr
Workmens comp, Medicare, SSA & FICA $10hr Total man hour cost =$40hr

Service truck;
Ins, taxes, maintance, truck replacement cost, equipment replacement, fuel =$16hr

Total cost = $56hr

I have to make 35% profit or I can't stay in business so that brings it too $86.15hr per service call.

Sounds expensive but that typicaly will not make a company any money in fact most loose money.

Someone has to pay this cost weather that truck sits at the shop or on the job for 2000hrs per year. Your lucky to bill out 60% of the cost during the year on a busy service truck. That means the owner picks up the other 40% and is why a service truck will loose money if thats all your counting on.

Thats also why most company's hate to run a service truck. No one wants to pay for the actual charges. I'm the same way now that I'm retired.

This cost applys just about to every type of service truck, not just a tire shop service truck.

T_Bone

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mike

06-30-2004 13:41:32




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to T_Bone, 06-30-2004 05:29:16  
I just went to 50$ an hr.People don't like it but either pay it or get someone else. Coincidentaly my competion gets 85$ an hr portal to portal. I charge just for time spent working.



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Billy NY

06-30-2004 05:57:29




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to T_Bone, 06-30-2004 05:29:16  
I hear you on that, this guy is running a 1 man operation, out of a pick up truck, probably to keep overhead low, and avoid as much as those costs as possible. I figured it would be a good thread here, appreciated all the feedback too !

I've run Ironworker crews in NYC and last time I knew out of cost pocket was $96.00/hr for their labor only, nothing marked up, + all he other line items etc. it's certainly not easy to maintain a profitable business no matter what it is, we had weeks that the payroll was as high as $150,000. Cash flow is king, it don't take much to screw up the works LOL !

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Ron

06-30-2004 04:26:46




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
Prices, especially labor prices, vary widely all over the country so you really should be asking the locals what they pay.

Having said that, you can buy everything you need to R&R your own tires from www.gemplers.com. They even sell CaCl. Many farmers here do exactly that, figuring "why pay for someone else's labor when I work for free". You can even co-op with a neighbor and split the $200 or so cost for irons and CaCl tools.

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John

06-30-2004 19:03:21




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Ron, 06-30-2004 04:26:46  
$200.00 won't buy you a decent jack, say nothing of the CaCl pump , irons , bead breaker etc... Is the price of getting a tire repaired or replaced going up? YES, and it is about time. Been in this business for 27 years and have seen very few increases of more than 2%. Lately those increases have been over 5% and coming more often.Those are the tire prices. We charge the same rates we have charged for the last 5 years. haven't been able to raise rates, as the competition will always beat you out of a job. Tough business , as are most of them. Regards John

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mike

06-30-2004 03:59:04




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
not taking into consideration mileage to you or the time you spent reconditioning your wheel I'd charge 350$ for a new tire, new tube and loaded.Yes I'd say you were charged excessively. My guess is GCR tire did it?



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Billy NY

06-30-2004 05:44:53




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to mike, 06-30-2004 03:59:04  
I spoke to GCR, seemed their labor rate if I brought it in was the same as the guy coming out to do it, so figured it best to have him come out.
LOL, again live & learn, when you have time you are probably best off to do as much as you can yourself, but if a machine is down and th clock is ticking big $$ away, have to call the service guy.



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Mike

06-30-2004 13:43:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-30-2004 05:44:53  
which side of Albany are you on? I'm up in Kingsbury, 60+ miles north of Albany.



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Billy NY

06-30-2004 14:27:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high in reply to Mike, 06-30-2004 13:43:24  
Outside of Troy



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hay

06-30-2004 02:40:31




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
does sound a bit pricey, but at least someone did come to your farm to do the job. in my area it's exceedingly hard just to find field service. no one wants to come out anymore. they all want me to wrestle with a 300+ lb tire and rim and drive 20 miles or more to get it to the service center.



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Bob

06-29-2004 20:05:30




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
Yes, I feel it is a bit high.

I am in Western New York and can give you a name of a good tire guy. E-mail me.
Bob



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john d

06-29-2004 21:13:56




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Bob, 06-29-2004 20:05:30  
I recently paid $708 for on-farm installation of two 13.6x38 Firestones on my Farmall M. New tires, new tubes, calcium pumped out, and back in. Disposal fee for old tires and tubes included. One service trip. I don't know what the cost would have been for doing it in two trips, but it would have been considerably more.



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Billy NY

06-29-2004 20:37:26




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Bob, 06-29-2004 20:05:30  
I'm in eastern NY outside of Alb. don't have your e-mail address, not sure if your guy works in this area. This guy did a fine job, was prompt, figured I'd check here for future reference etc., have to bite the bullet on this one I suppose, I'll do better on the next one !



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kyhayman

06-29-2004 19:48:24




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
WOW!, yeah, thats a bit high. I cant speak to the tire cost, never bought one that size. Tubes for tractor rears run me $35.00 at the tire shop. Last service call I had was $35.00, mileage (under 25 included) $20.00 ($1.00/mi round trip over 25). Pump (out and back in) $30.00, 1 boot in the tire $5.00. The tire shops here do charge extra (a lot) if you have the rim off the tractor, say its a lot easier to change mounted. Last tires I bout were 16.9x38's. Total bill including tubes and house call (but reused my fluid) was $750.00 (last year). Last fill I had was $1.00 per pound for the CaCl (2 years ago)

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720Deere

06-29-2004 19:42:28




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
The tire man spent 2.25 hours working on the tire at your place, but spent how much time making 2 trips out to your place. Time spent traveling back and forth to your location is time that he is not otherwise being paid for. Road service charges need to cover all the time spent from portal to portal otherwise, he is only going to have 4 billable hours per day. I don't know about you, but I could never live on 4 hours pay per day!

If you want to save some money, next time take the tire to him at his shop.

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Billy NY

06-29-2004 20:14:44




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to 720Deere, 06-29-2004 19:42:28  
I hear ya 720, don't disagree enough on that to bring it up here, and yes you have to cover your costs adequately no doubt about it. I did try to bring the rim to him after he dismounted it, he said he had no way to lift the loaded tire at his place ( one man band operating out of a pick-up truck ) so live & learn, after thinking about it I should have dismounted it myself, then prepared the rim, picked up the new tire/tube, mounted it myself, picked up the calcium and brought it to the shop to be loaded, you pay for knowlege and a premium for professional services, that's a given, he did a good job and was prompt.

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Ray

06-29-2004 19:41:29




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
I just had the same size tire installed with fluid,but I took it to the tire store,it cost
$225.



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Sid

06-29-2004 19:10:15




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
If that includes the tire, as I understand, you got a new tube, and they pumped the old tire out and filled the new tire using the pump. And made two trips due to the fact you wanted to paint the rim. I do not think that is too far out of line.



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TODD S

06-29-2004 19:01:52




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 Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 18:37:50  
ITS A GOOD SIZE TIRE BUT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE TO HIGH FOR ONE TIRE.
call your local dealer or call other tire services and get different quotes.what kind of machine does this tire go on?



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Billy NY

06-29-2004 19:30:16




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 Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to TODD S, 06-29-2004 19:01:52  
Todd, it's for a Ford 850, I had taken the wheel off already so it was ready to go. I think my only beef is the labor, it's high by $75.00-$100.00, I don't mind the mark up on the tire and or the calcium, his time to handle those and deliver them is worth something but it was cleanly 2 1/4 hours of labor at my place, not sure if these guys get more on top of their labor to pump the calcium as well, must be that pump is expensive and must be included as extra ? I hate pinchin pennies LOL, outta work briefly which is the cause of that.

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RWK in WI

06-30-2004 18:15:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high ? in reply to Billy NY, 06-29-2004 19:30:16  
Last winter here in Wisconsin the neighbor who was using my Ford 860 managed to puncure a rear tire with a staple on a pallet.
I told him to park with the puncture at the top until I could check. Got two prices to come, pump out the calcum, patch the tube, remount, and refill with the calcium. Nothing new except the patch. Price $490 & $520. Ended up putting the tire and rim on my trailer with the loader ( another tractor ) and took it to the tire dealer. Pump out, demount, patch, remount, and refill, cost $135. Of course it shot a day for me.

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Billy NY

06-30-2004 19:14:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tire Service Cost's- is this high in reply to RWK in WI, 06-30-2004 18:15:36  
Thats interesting, nothing new except the patch, well I see you have no choice on that one, it seems they'd rather have you bring it in by the rates for road/field service they have to charge, which is fine, better to have the option and bring it in, I can see where having a spare set up from a shop and ready to go is a smart move if you are prone to punctures or downtime is critical etc.

This has been a good thread, appreciate the feedback, kinda wish I did this first LOL !!!
Never stop learning, from day one til your last, no doubt !

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