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TheRealRon

09-18-2004 02:55:46




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Anybody else run into this?

Many people who live in and even just outside of what qualifies for a town here were offered public water for cheap. So they hooked up. All of them had productive wells but part of the deal was that they had to cap them. A few years went by and the crooks in office decided since the water system was so overloaded now they had to dig it all up and replace it with larger pipe. So they sent everyone on the public supply a bill for $10-$25k depending on house size, due and payable immediately. That's the good news.

Now that they were able to run that scam on the "towners" they came up with a new one. Believe it or not, they are going to tax towners based on the their lot sizes for the rain that falls on it! That money will be used to build a storm drain system to treat the rain water before it goes into the lake (a separate sanitary sewer system exists; that water already goes to a treatment plant).

I live far from town and have my own well and septic. And it's going to stay that way.

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Harley1983

09-19-2004 14:59:16




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
See Ron?? You CAN converse on an intelligent level without pi$$ing everyone else off if you want to. Good job. Your people skills are improving immensely. My appreciation goes out to you, Harley.



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rpg52

09-19-2004 12:26:32




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
Wow! These stories make me appreciate my local water company, despite all their warts. Although I've had my share of gripes, I will say that there are no problems quite as miserable as well problems. Having good reliable water is really important. My sympathy for those with corrupt or arrogant officials controlling their water supply. Regardless of the reputation of California for these problems, I've had my well go dry from too many straws in the aquifer, and it isn't much fun (or cheap) either. The main problem is that we have too d*&$ many people moving here. My $0.02.

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Indydirtfarmer

09-18-2004 05:58:05




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
We're going through a similar situation, only with sewers, in the county where our farm is located. They're installing a "county-wide sewer system" that will reach all the rural areas in the next 10 years. (Or so they CLAIM) Your "tap-in fee" will be based on the distance between your house and the NEXT one in the line. In the case of our farmhouse, that's over 2 miles. Our fee will be almost $70,000. According to the county commisioners, we will be forced to tie into the sewers. WE DON'T EVEN LIVE THERE! Now here's the real stinger. We have to pay the tap-in fee NOW. Due and payable in the next 3 months. It may be up to 10 years before we see sewer service. (IF it ever gets there in the first place) My solution....We MIGHT have to demolish the old farmhouse that my GREAT-GREAT-Granfather built....Drastic measure, huh? The entire "plan" is being challenged by a lawsuit. Out of over 3000 households effected by the plan, only THREE people are in favor of it. Now the REAL story. One of the county commisioners will be the contractor installing the system..... IF it ever happens. John

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Mark - IN.

09-18-2004 06:34:11




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 09-18-2004 05:58:05  
Maybe fits, maybe doesn't. Didn't President Carter sign into law during the 70's, a fedarl law to protect farms? The thought being that farms were disappearing little by little, and there was a need (at least felt a need) to protect them from urban sprawl, so that farms would remain our US food source? I could be wrong, might be dreamin', might be loosing my mind.

The reason that I ask, is that if that is so, perhaps they can't do (legally) such a thing. Perhaps the little farmer doesn't have the $$$ to fight cityhall, and that's how this stuff keeps happening.

Three points at hand.

One: I used to have a home in Romeoville, IL. Was all farm when moved and bought there. Urban sprawled out everywhere, farmers sold off to developers, took the money and ran. One farmer had the new water main go out past his property in the newly annexed easement to get out to the sprawl that went past him. The city told him "need to hook up", he told them that he's ag, "Go blow...". He didn't hookup.

Two: City of Naperville, IL. boardered Rt 59 on it's east side, unincorporated Aurora boardered west. A farmer on the west had been approached by a mall developer several times to sell out, but he refused. Naperville's side of 59 were malls as far as the eyes could see. Naperville jumped (annexed) the west side of 59, "CONDEMNED" the farm, then sold it to the developer to build his malls (tax revenue).

Three: City of Lisle, IL. did the same thing to a farm that had been held in a family for generations along Rt 34. The developer wanted it, the farm was a working farm, so the owners wouldn't sell, so Lisle "CONDEMNED" (annexed) it, then sold to the developer.

My brother and I were talking about this yesterday. Thought was a law (farm protection act under Carter) to prevent this. Maybe farmers just can't afford to litigate against cityhall in a courtroom.

I moved back to rural Bristol, IN. now. In Illinois, cityhall "CONDEMNS" property at the drop of a hat, for tax revenue.

Is there a Federal Farm Protection Act signed into law under President Carter, or am I goofy? Or was it repealed?

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Mark - IN.

09-18-2004 05:51:25




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that whenever the government comes up from behind, wraps it's arm around your shoulder, then says "Have I got a deal for you...", you'ld better reach back and put your hand over your wallet. And they've worked a great many hours and years in refining that that reputation.

Years ago, I heard that private wells in California actually had meters put on them. City water nothing, that private water belongs to the people of California, so pay up. Is maddening.

My mother lived on the edge of Elkhart, IN. (city sprawled out to her), but she was still in un-incorporated Elkhart County. Some younger couple moved in across the road and began talking "city water and sewage". I went over and had a few words with them - if they want city street lights and all that goes with it, move to Chicago, otherwise "shutup".

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Weirsdale George

09-18-2004 07:31:44




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to Mark - IN., 09-18-2004 05:51:25  
Mark-IN wrote, "private water belongs to the people of California." If this were so, the oil beneath your feet and the gold and sliver in the hills would also belong to the people!



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Mark - IN.

09-18-2004 07:50:39




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to Weirsdale George, 09-18-2004 07:31:44  
Don't misunderstand me George. It wasn't me saying that, it was the state of California who put those meters on private wells. I was quoting those idiots. My thinking is if is your well, is your water. Perhaps I didn't word it correctly. My well is my well, and if someone comes out from the county or city to put a meter on it, he or she oughta be wearing a flack jacket.



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kyhayman

09-18-2004 05:40:11




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
That's terrible!

I love 'city water' but we have local water districts which run the water systems outside of city limits. They do have to dig up and enlarge lines on occassion but do it through a government bond issue. Have had some controversy here as the District that I live in laid a 20" supply main to a neighboring county for increased supply as our local city's plant was a little on the small side. There goal is to have municipal water to every household in the county by 2006. But, wells arent an option here in most places. If you dont have 'city water' it means a cistern and a truck to haul water.

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Cosmo

09-18-2004 03:34:01




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 Re: Public vs. private water supply in reply to TheRealRon, 09-18-2004 02:55:46  
I was about four miles from the city limits a few years ago. Now the city has moved to a few hundred feet away. When expanding their reach they came to me saying "Would you like to have city water, huh, huh, huh? All you gotta do is sign this little bitty 'ol paper saying you agree to be annexed at our option." I told them to take a hike. One day I may not have a choice but today I do.



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