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Tire Size = Tractor Speed

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Lance

09-28-2004 14:41:51




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So, here is the deal, we have a tractor we want to slow down for silage chopping that has 16.9.38 tires on it. we have another tractor with 15.5.38 tires on it. but cannot use the smaller tired tractor on the chopper. So here is the question, I did some looking online and I am wondering if we switch the tires on the tractors how much would that 4 inchs of tire heigth slow down the tractor that I want to use for chopping?? any ideas?

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steveormary

09-29-2004 09:12:02




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
Lance;

Example. If the 16.9-38 gives you 4mph the 15.5-38 will give you approx.3.75mph. What will your next lower gear put you at. 1/4 mph can make alot of difference in field work.Probably alot of wok unless you can just swap wheeels with tires from one tractor to the other.

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RAB

09-28-2004 22:35:29




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
The speed will be proportional to the radius, or rather the rolling radius, so you need to mesure from the wheel axle centre to the ground. Half the radius = half the speed



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Bob

09-28-2004 17:20:26




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
From the Firestone website, here's some info.

The ROLLING CIRCUMFERANCE is the distance the time travels in one revolution, and will vary some between manufacturers and tire models within a specific manufacturer, even though the "offical" size is the same.

15.5-38 ... 184"

16.9-38 ... 198"

So... 184/198=.93

So... Changing the tractor over to the smaller tires would reduce the speed to 93% of the speed it was going with the bigger tires.

The overall diameter of the smaller tires is 28.4", versus 30.4" with the larger tires.

Once again, this may vary a bit depending on who made you tires, but this should get you close!

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Bob

09-28-2004 17:25:17




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 CORRECTED POST in reply to Bob, 09-28-2004 17:20:26  
I copied the wrong numbers for the tire diameter into the previous post. Here is the CORRECTED (I hope) information.

From the Firestone website, here's some info.
The ROLLING CIRCUMFERANCE is the distance the time travels in one revolution, and will vary some between manufacturers and tire models within a specific manufacturer, even though the "offical" size is the same.

15.5-38 ... 184"

16.9-38 ... 198"

So... 184/198=.93

So... Changing the tractor over to the smaller tires would reduce the speed to 93% of the speed it was going with the bigger tires.

The overall diameter of the smaller tires is 61.5", versus 66.3" with the larger tires.

Once again, this may vary a bit depending on who made you tires, but this should get you close!

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Jon C- Florida

09-28-2004 16:52:55




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
Lance - if the diameter of the wheel is reduced by 4", the circumference is reduced by 12.56 inches or roughly one foot, if I did my math right.

So for every revolution of the smaller diameter tire it would travel one foot less in distance than the larger tire.

Assuming the larger tire is maybe about 4.5 feet in diameter, the circumference would be 4.5 x pi (3.1415) or about 14 feet.

So, one revolution of the smaller tire is about 13 feet, or roughly 92 percent of the larger.

The speed (distance/time) of the smaller tire would also be somewhere around 8 percent less than the larger tire, more or less. (Adjust the math for whatever the diameter of the larger tire is.) The larger the bigger tire is in diameter, the less the percentage change is.

In my opinion, it could be significant, and you may be on the right track.

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Bob

09-28-2004 15:34:18




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
Measure the circumferance of the two tires, and divide to get a percentage of difference, and take that percentage of the speed you are going with the big tires to see what your speed with the smaller tires would be.



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Allan in NE

09-28-2004 14:53:23




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Lance, 09-28-2004 14:41:51  
Hi Lance,

Not enough to matter, drop a gear.

Allan



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Leland

09-28-2004 17:04:20




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Allan in NE, 09-28-2004 14:53:23  
I would tend to agree with Allen a simple way and a lot less work to boot. Allen is the only one of smart enough to realize why they put all those gears in the tranny.



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Allan in NE

09-28-2004 17:14:11




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Leland, 09-28-2004 17:04:20  
LOL! Hi Leland,

Ain't no smart about it....just old and have chopped a heck of a lot of corn. :>)

Allan



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Leland

09-29-2004 20:50:51




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Allan in NE, 09-28-2004 17:14:11  
Yuo are not afraid to gloat are you,and 720 deere must be color blind.I've used many red tractors to rescue those green ones.



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720Deere

09-28-2004 18:40:18




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to Allan in NE, 09-28-2004 17:14:11  
Allen,

Maybe the poor fella has one of those "red" tractors that lacks both the power and a low enough gear!

Overall, I agree that a 7% reduction in ground speed isn't going to get you much. If low gear was 2 mph, then with the smaller tire you would be at 1.86 mph. Hardly any difference. I have seen this issue discussed before and the verdict is always that you would need a m-u-c-h smaller tire to make enough difference. Just a guess, but I would think it would take at least a 20% difference in ground speed to justify the change.

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Allan in NE

09-28-2004 19:00:47




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 Re: Tire Size = Tractor Speed in reply to 720Deere, 09-28-2004 18:40:18  
Well,

I sure hope I did't come off sounding glib or like a smart a$$ and in all fairness to Lance, I really don't know his situation or what he is up against; perhaps his tractor is right on that "invisible' line of horsepower/load.

But, overall, I've found that swapping out tires and wheels to gain a little speed advantage is a huge amount of work and also is very time comsuming for the small result gained.

The biggest thing a guy can to, to my mind, is to keep those knives sharpened up and that cutter bar tucked way up close. This act alone will usually get you up to that next gear.

As usual, just my opinion and stated as such; thanks for the hollar back,

Allan

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