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O-Topic. Shelter

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Hound

01-27-2005 17:25:12




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I would like to build a shelter here for protection against mother nature and any other "natural disasters". I was thinking that I would bury a school bus (minus the chassis). I was looking for ideas for life support systems, sewage disposal, fresh air filtration and underground drainage issues. Will I be breaking any laws with this. Thanks. Hound




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John *.?-!.* cub owner

01-29-2005 08:38:41




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to Hound, 01-27-2005 17:25:12  
Depending on soil type and terrain you may need to make provisions to drain ground water away and keep it from flooding. Dig a test hole a few feet deep and cover it. Check every so often in wet weatehr to see how much water accumulates in it.



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Willy-N

01-28-2005 07:12:55




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to Hound, 01-27-2005 17:25:12  
I have been thinking of a under ground shelter for fire reasons around here plus storage of things because it would be cool. My thought would be a steel Shipping container with rolled on tar setting on a gravle base with blocks and back filled. It would have a steel box or culvert pipe entry with a concrete bulk head and a good set of steel doors. A few vent pipes one high and one low in the box for a thermo effect on circulating air with out a fan being needed all the time. I would have electricity in it but it would not be used to live in because a fire will pass over here in less than 30 mins and then you could come out. It happened once and since I was wathching from a distance I know how long it takes. It would be a good place to throw some stuff in fast and a place for my dogs and us to stay if nessasary. Make a great shelter for a storm or tornado. Nucular War is a joke to build something for, how do you keep all the neibors out when it happens? And I sure could not stay in it long enought for it to be safe outside!! Mark H.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

01-29-2005 08:35:56




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to Willy-N, 01-28-2005 07:12:55  
Willie, for air circulation, make a bracket for a candle or lamp to set in the bottom of one of your air pipes, the heat will cause air to rise in it and fresh air to be drawn in the others. That's an old trick from hand miners a hunderd+ years ago. After blasting they would attach a piece of stove pipe with a bracket for a lantern or candle to a ladder and let it back down into the mine shaft. This would clear the dynamite fumes so they could get back into the shaft sooner.

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NC Wayne

01-27-2005 19:06:38




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to Hound, 01-27-2005 17:25:12  
Seems to me you'd be better off to find a fiberglass or plastic tank of some type. Basically just find something else substantial that isn't full of glass windows that you'll have to block off and that isn't gonna rust away withing just a few years. As far as the "utilities", it's depend on what your hiding from, how many people need to be taken care of, and how long you intend to hide at a time. If your only talking short time stays, like riding out a tornado, etc then you can basically make it into an underground RV with chemical toilets, bottled water, canned or MRE type foods. Then for lighting you'd need either candles or lanterns or if you anted more power, a protected generator and a fuel supply substantial enough to last. For ventlation all your gonna need is some type of fan to keep ther air circulated and fresh. How much is gonna depend on how many cubic feet the shelter contains. I'm no engineer but I'd figure you'd want at least twice to three times the total CU feet per minute of air flowing to insure at least two to three air changes every minute. If your wanting to protect from CBR attacks then you get into chemical and charcol scrubbers for the air supply, etc. I know it's alot more complicated than what I'm saying here, but you can sorta get the idea. I've read alot about shelters like this and had thought at one point about building something but in the end I kinda wised up an figured when my time comes and my number is up then no matter how far underground, etc I'm setting the Good Lord is gonna take me no matter what...so why worry about it.....As far as is it legal to do, I don't know. Then again I'm the kind that if the government doesn't like it, screw them, it's my property and I'll do what I dang well please on it as long as I'm not hurting anybody else. What are they gonna do, take away my birthday, cause they dang sure can't get blood from this turnip....?????

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Mike Burdick

01-27-2005 18:05:46




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to Hound, 01-27-2005 17:25:12  
Everyone that grew up in the 1960's probably can remember that shelters were common. I bet there are lots of government brochures that address this topic in great depth. Do a google search.



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big fred

01-28-2005 12:16:24




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 Re: O-Topic. Shelter in reply to john_bud, 01-27-2005 20:00:25  
That's where the first large-scale Janet Reno "accomplishment" concluded, a buried bus full of women and kids burned alive at Waco.



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