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Wanting to start small hobby farm

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Kevin

02-20-2005 07:36:32




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What is the best cheapest kind of farm to start just as a tiny hobby farm. Ive been growing alot of vegetables just for the family, i grew way to much last year but these are just small garden plots. This is nice as for now until im old enough and have enough money to buy a nice size plot of land but what would be another way to sort of start getting ready and starting a small hobby farm? I was thinking i would just try some livestock but whats a cheaper and easier livestock to have? It can not be any birds becuase i work on a big bio secure farm. Thanks for any thoughts and ideas.

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Hengal

03-01-2005 09:52:52




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Kevin -

I would highly suggest buying and reading the book, You Can Farm, by Joel Salatin. I have been reading it and it is the best information on starting a farming enterprise I have ever read. Everything from the small scale hobby farm to major enterprises. I paid $35 for it at the bookstore, but it is well worth the money. Fabulous ideas and instruction. I myself have chickens (for eggs), gourds and vegetables and am starting small from my home. The gourds are already going wonderfully.
Good luck!!

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James2

02-20-2005 18:26:45




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Kevin:
A friend at work wants to eventually quit and farm full time although he has been successful in his current occupation (salary 80K+). He is bright (good gene pool, has two attorneys for parents) as well as being ambitious. Recently he has been testing potential enterprises which will allow him to leave. In particular, the plan has been to raise various small livestock on his limited 2-3 acres. This has included goats, chickens, and sheep, coupled with nearly all purchased inputs. His market has been approx 50% local sale barn and 50% private sales. On this small scale, he has been extremely successful, with a phenomenal return in $/acre. Eventually he will apply what has been learned to a greatly expanded operation located elsewhere. Since you cannot have chickens, consider goats and/or sheep. I have had little experience with goats, but in contrast have worked with sheep on the family farm. Sheep are good because they are easy on infrastructure, but on the down side they are in general, helplessly stupid. Although as others have said, be sure you have a market! Mutton in many areas can be a hard sell.

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Dug

02-20-2005 18:13:46




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Kevin,

A slighlty differnet approach, one I am following, is growing fruit trees. The turnaround time is much longer, but it should work great on a small scale. I am planting apples, peach and cherry initially. I plan to add pear, plum, grapes and blackberries over the next year or two. I am not going for volume on any one type of fruit, but rather a good mix of fruits ripening throughout the summer months. There are several orchards in the area, but my plan is to grow the varieties that they are not growing. I know I won't get rich, but I have two small boys (ages 5 and 6) this should provide a way for them to make a little money during their teen years and hopefully teach them a lesson in life also. Once everything is producing (probably 5-6 years from now) we will have crops June through October, starting with the cherries and ending with the apples.

We could also add veegies, pumpkins, watermelons, the list is endless. Just depends on how ambitious my boys turn out to be!

Dug

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Gerald J.

02-20-2005 13:50:26




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Veges are labor intensive, but can be profitable.

About 20, 25 years ago there was a book "How to make $100,000 a year on an acre." What it suggested was to create a subscription truck garden. You promised each subscriber a week's worth of salads and veges, the mix depending on what was growing that week. You may give subscribers a discount if they helped harvest. I hear it works for some people and some places.

Gerald J.

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hay

02-20-2005 12:36:05




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
watermelons and sweet corn are always good sellers. contact the local grocery stores, restaurants, and farmers markets and try to get a contract setup. talk to folks in the community about a contract for a season. who knows, you might just get lucky and get people(s) to sign up. all you have to do then is grow and deliver. lastly, just set up and sell out of the back of your truck on the side of the road. if you have quality veggies, then people will buy from you. it takes a while to get started, but it can pay off big once your are established.

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Josh H

02-20-2005 12:14:14




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Vegetables are the cheapest thing to get into, and the most profitable on a small scale. If there is a farmer's market nearby, try and get a spot at it. I am in college and have done this the past two summers, and do real well.



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Keith T

02-20-2005 11:55:32




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
If you have access to some pasture ,even 5 to 10 acres what works for me is go to the local livestock sale to a bred cow and heifer sale .Buy some OLD!! cows ,those that they say are aged or smooth or broken mouthed .They can usually be bought for slaughter cow price ,keep them till fall wean the calves ,sell the cows in the killer pen ,feed the calves for a mo. or 2 and sell them.as feeders. No winter chores and no need for a bull.It works for me .

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msb

02-20-2005 11:02:13




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Back when I was in high school in the 1950s,I built a hotbed and sold bedding plants to some of the neighbors.I really enjoyed doing it.Built a wood frame,dug it out about a foot deep and put in a foot of horse manure/straw.Covered that with 4 inches of woods dirt.Covered the frame with old storm windows.Planted the seed about mid March.Horse manure would heat up and generate plenty of heat to germinate the seeds.Only cost was for the seed packets.On really warm spring days, I would have to rush home from school and pull the windows off for a while or prop them open in the morning if it was supposed to get warm that day.

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Jimmy King

02-20-2005 09:18:13




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Kevin, do you have a farmer"s market close to you or a place where you can set up a road side stand. If you do and you like to grow garden stuff, I have always been told that greenbeans and ear corn will sell in a short period of time. Also tomatoes. Also you could grow a few watermellon, mushmellons, cucumbers, and even pumpkins. Your inital investment would not be as great, and could make some money. You would not be tied down year round either. Just some thing to think about.

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Fawteen

02-20-2005 08:40:44




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 07:36:32  
Smart way to go at it is to find a market first, and then do what's necessary to sell to that market.

Livestock requires, at the very least, a twice-a-day, 7 days-a-week committment. If you're up for that, and you have a Middle Eastern or other Moslem community near you, "kosher" lambs (I know, that's a Jewish term, don't know what the Moslems call it) can be quite profitable.

Organic veggies for the restaurants, pick-your-own and consumer-supported gardens have done well in the proper circumstances.

It all comes down to research.

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Jonboy

02-20-2005 09:17:12




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Fawteen, 02-20-2005 08:40:44  
Trouble is fawteen, all the people I have contacted on maple syrup when I tried to sell our syrup instead of selling it to a co-op for about 1/4 of what it is worth all have contracts with somebody. I have never dealt with contracts, but they are everywhere. The local grocery store used to buy produce in the summertime from the locals, but they can't anymore because their wintertime supplier forbids this in their contract and forces them to buy their stuff year round. Sure theres farmers markets but with all the competition stuff is sold pretty cheap. I dunno, everything has to be done in huge volumes to make a dollar at it.

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Fawteen

02-20-2005 09:23:51




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Jonboy, 02-20-2005 09:17:12  
I call that the Walmart Approach. "Buy from me, at this price, or else." AKA a monopoly. Good for the middleman, bad for everyone else.

One of the reasons the country is in the jam it's in is because everyone wants to make money by shuffling money, not by working and actually producing something useful.

If farming was easy, everybody'd do it...



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John (C-IL)

02-20-2005 09:50:14




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Fawteen, 02-20-2005 09:23:51  
If you want to farm as a life style, no sweat. Have a very good off farm job, round up the 100,000 to 250,000 to buy a decent sized piece of ground. IF you are willing to use antiques you can buy the machinery you need for around $20,000 and hire what you don't have the machinery for.

Livestock wise, the goat market is really hot right now, as mentioned before most of it goes into the ethnic market. Hogs will actually be a better ROI and quicker turn on your investment, but when the price goes down it can be a real cash drain.

Like fawteen said, if it was easy everyone would do it.

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Kevin

02-20-2005 10:33:26




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to John (C-IL), 02-20-2005 09:50:14  
Yea i think im just going to do the roadside stand idea. 2 years ago i did alot of banana pepers and sold them to a local restruant, maybe i will see if they are intrested in some more now that i have some equiptment better than a walk behind tiller lol.



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Jonboy

02-20-2005 12:29:23




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Kevin, 02-20-2005 10:33:26  
Thats an excellent idea, but the absolute most important thing for a roadside stand is location, if you have a good spot on a well traveled highway, then you're in good shape, if not, well, thats a different story. Wouldn't hurt to try it though.
Theres a guy about a mile and a half from me thats got a stand on a mainstream route that people from half a dozen towns travel through going to and from work, he's got a big space to lay out all his pumpkins in the fall and does big buisness will all kinds of vegetables and has for years, he is also a farmer and has a moderen dairy.

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Kevin

02-20-2005 15:15:45




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 Re: Wanting to start small hobby farm in reply to Jonboy, 02-20-2005 12:29:23  
Yea i know of a few very good places i could set up a stand. I have a new compact tractor, its a mahindra 3015 hst 4wd and i have a good size tiller for the back of that so a larger garden will be easier, yet still hard when it comes time to harvest.



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