Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

OT -oil over-supply

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Coloken

03-21-2005 12:08:38




Report to Moderator

Just talking with my farmer friend. Oil company want to bring in more oil storage tanks. Seem their tanks are full and they can not get rid of the oil coming from the gas wells. They have more that the refiners will take. Doesn't take much to figure out why higher prices for gas and diesel.




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
IH2444

03-22-2005 11:11:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
Mergers and refinery closings.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Coloken

03-21-2005 17:58:15




Report to Moderator
 nice discussion in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
I think you fellows did a real nice job of discussion without getting hung out. Your all darn nice people. All I was reporting was my friend is not getting paid for oil that is setting out in his hay fields in full tanks.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
lucasss

03-21-2005 14:48:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
there is no shortage of oil. the supply is being manipulated to raise the price. just like happened recently with natural gas and electricity. lucas



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
buickanddeere

03-22-2005 09:14:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to lucasss, 03-21-2005 14:48:27  
Amen



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Paul in Mich again

03-21-2005 13:49:47




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
Ken, Sorry, this response was to tlak's dubya response.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Paul in Mich

03-21-2005 13:48:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
I hate to burst your bubble, but dubya has no more influence on the current price of oil than you do. The reason Oil companies are increasing their storage capabilities is that they can buy more crude at lower prices and thus control the cost of crude much better than having to buy at daily rates. It makes the cost of crude oil more predictable, whether high or low, which in turn allows users down the line to be able to forcast manufacturing costs as well as overall costs. It affects us as private citizens the same way, although not to the visable extent that it dies business.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rod (NH)

03-21-2005 14:19:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Paul in Mich, 03-21-2005 13:48:06  
Ahh, the refreshing voice of reason. It would also help future oil price fluctuations if more refining capacity was available (been a long time since any new refinery capability was built). It would help further if the enviro.... could agree and decide on something less than 30 or more different legal "designer" blends of gasoline required in different areas at different times - something that increases complexity, frustrates availability and raises costs. But, of course, like everything else - it's all Dubya's fault.

third party image Rod

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Matt from CT

03-21-2005 15:03:46




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Rod (NH), 03-21-2005 14:19:28  
>something that increases complexity, frustrates >availability and raises costs

While custom blends by area/season is part of the problem...

Let's not forget at the base of this the oil companies are not harmless victims.

*They* merged, and *they* closed many small refineries in the name of efficiencies.

While new refining capacity is important, and that can be partially blamed on environmental concerns in both the lack of new capacity and decisions to close rather than upgrade other refineries, we also have the part of this shortage crisis being business decisions to run their operations too damn lean. Cut fat, cut fat, cut fat...oh wait, I think that was my willy, I may need that again someday!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Coloken

03-21-2005 14:03:23




Report to Moderator
 yea-but in reply to Paul in Mich, 03-21-2005 13:48:06  
What you say is right..but...they are filling the storage NOW. Does that mean that oil is cheap now and they are holding it waiting for it to go up?
I smell price controling.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Paul in Mich

03-21-2005 14:26:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: yea-but in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 14:03:23  
Ken, Good question. I certainly hope price controling doesnt raise its ugly head again. We had an apple out of that bag in the 70"s and it was a total disaster. What is indesputable, however is that our refining capacity is sadly lacking, and as our seasonal needs change, it is harder and harder for refineries to meet immediate needs. I don"t see additional storage as a problem unless, as you say, it is used to store refined products so as to attempt to sell at higher prices. But even then, market demand will temper that somewhat. If they try to flood the market with high price fuel, while all the time their inventories are high, then the market will adjust accordingly and drive the cost down. The worst case scenerio is having a market in demand with short supply. To that I say, build all the storage tanks they can. that keeps the supply where users want it. In the hands if those who need to sell it.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RustyFarmall

03-21-2005 13:04:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
I heard the other day that there are several oil companies that do not buy foriegn oil. Can't remember all of them but a couple were Phillips/BP, and another was Hess? I know there were more. Anybody know a website with this info?
We need to support these stations and boycott the others.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TomR Ont.

03-21-2005 14:57:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-21-2005 13:04:25  
I just got this e-mail yesterday -- Could It work?

WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS,THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
READ ON--
Why didn't George W. think of this?

I am Just forwarding this on as I think these are good statistics that everyone should be aware of, but the answer to that question is obvious - you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us!
The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil :
Shell..... ..... ..... .. 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco..... ..... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil..... ..... . 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway..... .. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco..... ..... ..... ....62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
ARC0. ..... ..... ..... .0 barrels Sinclair..... ..... .....0 barrels
Citgo..... ..... ..... ..0 barrels BP/Phillips..... ..... ..0 barrels
Sunoco..... ..... ..... .0 barrels Hess..... .…..... ..... .0 barrels
Conoco..... ..... ..... .0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.

It's really simple to do.
Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people.
If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth g eneration of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it .THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all that take?

If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next eight days!

I can only "assume" that Petro Canada gets their gas from Alberta?????
So Sunoco and Petro Canada MAY be the best option for Canadians

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
BobMo

03-22-2005 06:42:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to TomR Ont., 03-21-2005 14:57:03  
Tom, this is interesting since ARCO was sold years age and doesn't exist and the is no such company as BP/Phillips..... .



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Wayne2

03-21-2005 18:54:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to TomR Ont., 03-21-2005 14:57:03  
Would like to but computer illerate, Sorry



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Wayne2

03-21-2005 18:54:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to TomR Ont., 03-21-2005 14:57:03  
Would like to but computer illerate, Sorry



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jackson Knight

03-21-2005 16:03:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to TomR Ont., 03-21-2005 14:57:03  
Here in MI I work for a shell dealer and where I load tankers sunco,cito ,BP pull from the same hookup as I do. They put diferent numbers in computer then me to get their additive. But get the same gas from gaint tank as I do.So who says where it comes from.To me that gas in that gaint tank comes from all over the world in my book.No way to tell if from the united states or mid-east.I see this day in day out.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark - IN.

03-21-2005 16:58:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Jackson Knight, 03-21-2005 16:03:05  
From what you say and what I've heard at various refineries, that is true.

Crude comes in from various areas such as the Middle East, South America, etc (think even Russia too), ends up in the same refineries, going out the the various companies. Not sure where the different additives are added, or if a company is buying crude at a particular $$$, and another buying it at a particular $$$, how that balances out at the refineries.

China's buying a ton of crude, and like everything else, makes it a buyers market. How much are we willing to pay compared to the competition?

Wonder what's going to happen when they do get to tap in Alaska? The oil from the pipeline is all exported - none of it's used domestically, all exported, always has been. Wonder what's going to happen with any oil found up there when we do finally get to drill?

Mark

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Matt from CT

03-22-2005 06:03:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Mark - IN., 03-21-2005 16:58:56  
>Wonder what's going to happen when they do get >to tap in Alaska? The oil from the pipeline is >all exported - none of it's used domestically, >all exported, always has been.

That's false.

See link -- California for one gets 12 million barrels a month from Alaska. Don't know what Oregon & Washington do, plus Alaska refines a modest amount itself.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Matt from CT

03-21-2005 14:56:19




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-21-2005 13:04:25  
Do you want the detailed but ugly view?
Link

BTW, Hess might only qualify as "from the U.S." if you count that it has a huge refinery in the U.S. Virgin Islands. The crude mostly comes from Venezuala.

Everything you ever wanted to know about our Oil Consumption & Sourcing and more, if you're willing to dig around a bit and see what pops up, is at:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
tlak

03-21-2005 12:56:35




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT -oil over-supply in reply to Coloken, 03-21-2005 12:08:38  
Dubya



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy