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Redmud

06-01-2005 13:25:06




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It seems another batch of houses went slidin down hill out in Ca. It happens every year, except I don't think they ever got a break this time from when it started last year. We lived out there from 64-69, and we would drive around and look at the houses that made the trip down hill. I always had questions, but never got answers. What I want to know is! Do people in Ca. jump in line to get the next piece of prime real estate when the houses start sliding? And why? And" are the lots on the very edge the most expensive? Or is the lots that are on the slope, that would put the houses next in line for the trip down, the most expensive? Has Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein fixed it to where the Federal Goverment pays these people double their money back, when their houses hit bottom, kinda like winning the lotto? Or" are the insurance companies just plain eat up with dumass? And is there a law in Ca. that the tractors that clear the land up high, for the next batch of houses has to have ROPS installed, or else the tractors will not be insurable? I had more questions but can't remember what they were.

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MarkB_MI

06-02-2005 19:48:29




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 Re: Mud slide in reply to Redmud, 06-01-2005 13:25:06  
I think you'll find that most of the mudslide losses are not covered by insurance. If you take a look at your homeowner's insurance, you'll probably find an exclusion against loss due to "earth movement". In other words, earthquakes, landslides and mudslides. In most parts of the country, this is no big deal, but in California the probability of having your house damaged by earth movement is pretty good. So you need special earthquake insurance. But guess what: the insurance is so expensive, the deductible is so high, and the exclusions are so many that it's basically worthless. Many homeowners skip it. And if you have a house in a known mudslide area, it's going to be really expensive.

As for why anyone would build in these areas, note that any decent land in So. Cal. is going to be outrageously expense. So if someone can get a building permit on a piece of land, you can bet they'll build on it.

This sort of lunacy isn't limited to California. Just take a look at the whole east coast of the US. Practically every foot of beachfront has a house on it, even though nor'easters and hurricanes can wipe them out overnight. If you let someone build someplace they shouldn't, they will.

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john in la

06-02-2005 04:26:30




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 Re: Mud slide in reply to Redmud, 06-01-2005 13:25:06  
Well I can see the point you are trying to make but do you think we should stop them from building there in the first place.

If we were to do that we would (to be fair) have to make everyone on the south east coast; from Tx to Md stop building because of hurricanes. No more building in Ok or Neb or any place in the center of the US because of tornadoes. No more building with in 20 miles of a river because it may flood. Ect Ect Ect..... .....

So where are we suppose to go????? New York City. We may not need homeowners insurance but now we will need Life Insurance. Better yet lets do away with insurance like it was in the 1800's and if your house burns down you start over and rebuild it on your own.

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DL

06-02-2005 18:59:16




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 Re: Mud slide in reply to john in la, 06-02-2005 04:26:30  
Hey John,
I understand where you're going... but, why should anyone be allowed to build a house on the mouth of a volcano??? Sounds absurd, but I'm sure someone has thought about it! I formerly lived in the foothills in Utah... one particular area had been restricted from development for nearly a hundred years. Well, someone bought the land and then tormented the city & county until they were finally allowed to put in a small development. About two years after it was finished, a mud slide took out every house!!! I know most areas of the country are subject to some form of natural disaster but, in California, buildings are required to be built to withstand earthquakes... in the south, buildings can be constructed to minimize damage from tornadoes... you get my drift. With so much land available, why should people be allowed to build a house in a flood plain??? Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should!
Regards, DL

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Midwest redneck

06-02-2005 02:08:45




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 Re: Mud slide in reply to Redmud, 06-01-2005 13:25:06  
Yep, every year these super expensive homes fall off the hill into the water and they wonder why. BECAUSE YOU ARE BUILDING THE HOUSE ON A MUDSLIDE AREA YOU *UMB*SS. And guys like us have to foot the higher insurance premiums.



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DL

06-01-2005 19:08:50




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 Re: Mud slide in reply to Redmud, 06-01-2005 13:25:06  
Hey Mud,
You got one thing right... SOMEONE pays when these mansions slide down the hill... it's YOU and ME!! We pay in the form of ever increasing insurance premiums. I find that particularly aggravating because I haven't filed a single claim (auto or homeowner's) in more than 20 years!!! These jokers continue to build where they shouldn't (including on the beach in Florida)because when the house gets broken, it magically gets fixed... and at no real cost to them! Nothing will change until the builders/home owners are held at least partially responsible for having a home in an area that is prone to damage in a natural disaster.
Regards, DL

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