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Maark

08-12-2005 11:56:29




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What is the difference between an E85 vehicle and one that doesn't burn it? Thinking of a new one.




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Leland

08-12-2005 21:38:39




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Maark, 08-12-2005 11:56:29  
The big differance is the fuel systems and a couple of sensers but my S-10 is set up for it and it has a plastic gas tank stainless steel fuel lines teflon coatings on the inside of all rubber lines and the 2.2 4 banger has fuel injectors from a 350 engine to be able to dump extra fuel bacause E85 has less energy than gas + I lose 5-7 mpg and when burning this junk and I have a hard time pulling a trailer and you need to floor it to main hiway speeds on any slight grade so IMO stick with gas E85 is a joke and they are conning us with this renewable fuel unless they reengineer the cars and trucks to do better on the stuff .

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MarkB_MI

08-12-2005 19:19:39




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Maark, 08-12-2005 11:56:29  
"Flexible fuel" vehicles automatically sense the oxygen content of the fuel and adjust the mixture to compensate. So the downside is that FFVs have a little extra hardware that could possibly fail. Other than that, there's no major difference.

Check out GM's E85 FAQs, below.

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buickanddeere

08-12-2005 13:27:13




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Maark, 08-12-2005 11:56:29  
About double the fuel flow per hour for the same amount of power produced by the engine. 11 to 1 compression on E85 rather than 8 to 1 with 87 octane is possible.



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Ben Rauls

08-12-2005 12:08:53




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Maark, 08-12-2005 11:56:29  
I heard e-85 is highly corrosive. Less efficient than gasoline, less btu's



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JPatton

08-12-2005 21:06:00




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Ben Rauls, 08-12-2005 12:08:53  
E85 is not any more corrosive than E10. By the way, the Federal Government only requires notification of the ethanol at the pump if it is at 10% or higher. The oil companys have been blending alcohol in fuel since the long gas lines of the seventies. They had to do it. The octane was so low in the new unleaded fuel that the older vehicles didn't like unleaded. So they put the alcohol in to help with the octane rating. While everyone was in a panic about the fuel shortage, there were actually large reserves of gasoline in storage. As you know, gasoline goes stale after a while so the alcohol was blended in to make it sale-able to the consumer.

I just have a hard time understanding why people believe the oil companies when thay say this stuff will ruin you car. And don't believe this bunk that ethanol cost more to produce than gasoline. It cost less. And yes the mash that is left from the process can still be fed to livestock. The corn is still corn....it has just had the alcohol removed.

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Leland

08-12-2005 21:46:13




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to JPatton, 08-12-2005 21:06:00  
MR Patton you are wrong if you belive that E85 is not more corrisive than 10% a shop down the road is getting stinking rich fixing cars and trucks using E85 that are not built for it so belive what you want but his coffers have jumped up a couple of grand more a week . Keep speaking like this the shop owners love people like you make them money !



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paul

08-13-2005 09:51:22




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Leland, 08-12-2005 21:46:13  
You should use special fuels in vehicles it is designed for. Duh.

E85 is not 'corrosive' you are 100% wrong on that, that is a myth the oil companies try to peddle, hoping people are as stupid as you & can't tell the difference between ethanol & methanol.

If you don't like it don't use it, but no point in telling lies about the stuff. Or which oil company do you work for???

--->Paul



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Leland

08-13-2005 19:06:01




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to paul, 08-13-2005 09:51:22  
Paul no ties to any oil , but if you think E85 is not corrisive well belive whay you want but the lot in local repair shop has more cars sitting to be repaired but then paul you just like to agure with me . but I burned a lot of E85 at first when it came out kept close recordsand it does not pay to use it my truck loses 5-7 mpg a lot more towing call me a liar but facts are facts it is a new way to con us poor folks with something that takes 29% more energy to produce than it saves according to reports from different schools .

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JMS/MN

08-14-2005 17:46:51




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Leland, 08-13-2005 19:06:01  
E85 is intended for use in vehicles that are built to burn it. If you use it in a conventional vehicle- you are asking for trouble. There is nothing difficult to understand about that- same as trying to use diesel fuel in a gas car. Of course you will have problems if you use the wrong fuel in any engine. The stories about ethanol requiring more fuel to produce it than what is obtained are simply BS. The 'researchers' in those studies were patsies of the oil companies and had no background in fuel research. Check the funding sourch of the 'research'.

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Leland

08-14-2005 18:59:49




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to JMS/MN, 08-14-2005 17:46:51  
flex fuel vechicles have a long way to go towards fuel economy and having enough power to pull a greasy string out of a cats butt . and already ADM is playing the same game as the oil company E85 here is now 2.09 pel gal and gas 2.47 and gas is the better value . But E85 should still be in the 1.50 range as it was in 30 days ago ADM is gouging the public as bad or worse than big oil now one of you please explain the sudden price jump .

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JPatton

08-12-2005 22:01:41




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Leland, 08-12-2005 21:46:13  
Leland - I agree that you should not use E85 in vehicles that are not designed for them. My only comment is that E85 is good for our economy and that alcohol has been in gasoline for more than 30 years.



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leland

08-12-2005 23:32:06




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to JPatton, 08-12-2005 22:01:41  
E85 is the newest way to exploit us even more there is no reason that E85 jumped .30 over night corn did not jump and paying 1.94 per gal is a ripoff IMO



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paul

08-12-2005 11:59:44




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to Maark, 08-12-2005 11:56:29  
The computer set up to understand the different O2, pre-ignition, etc. issues and properly deal with them by changing the fuel mix & timing is the big difference. I"m sure certain small components in the fuel delivery & air mixing lend themselves to this and are on an E85 vehicle.

--->Paul



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26Red

08-15-2005 09:37:02




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 Re: o/t-E85 in reply to paul, 08-12-2005 11:59:44  
I run E-85 at a 50% mixture with regular Gasoline. Anymore and the mileage drops off too much to save any money... No my truck wasn't designed to run on it either, but after 50000 miles, who can argue with that? (my truck has 236k now...)



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