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Allan in NE

09-14-2005 04:23:13

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Mornin" Guys,

I need to find a couple of trailers; the stock trailer I can handle, but I don"t know squat "bout flatbeds. Can you guys give me some advice so that my idiocy doesn�t show thru quite so bad?

I need a gooseneck deck-over and would presume that the dovetail is the way to go nowadays? How long of a rig do I need for just bangin" round the farm hauling machinery and big round hay bales? Is there any special preference in the wheels/bearings/brakes?

Also, local dealer is installing the hitch and says that 1" to 9" ahead of the rear axle is "neutral". What the heck does he mean by that?

Pickup is a 3/4-ton with the optional tow package suspension (overloads).

Thanks,

Allan

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Leland

09-14-2005 18:13:29

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan since you mainly want something to drag around the farm ,find a old lowboy and a converter and just drag it around with the 966 this way no plates or ins to spend money on this is how a lot of farmers here move dozers around .

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ejr-IA.

09-14-2005 17:31:31

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Here's a web add. to some nice trailers made over here in Ia. www.h&htrailer .com

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thejdman01

09-14-2005 13:16:04

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

i recommend a hydraulic tilt bed. expensive but real nice. hydraulic tilts dont use ramps nice on an old mans back. definitly want a winch keep in mind your pulling dead weight up a slope when choosing your winch. electric brakes. like them over vaccuum and surge. oil bath bearings instead of grease. electric disc brakes are real real nice. the most stopping power possible and the way people drive now days spending the extra money might be worth saving somone leses life or your own.

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KEH

09-14-2005 10:23:46

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, A word on using trailer brakes. Excuse me if you already know this, but I'm trying to complete your information. When applying the brakes, apply them firmly, then release them all the way. If you lightly touch the pedal, the trailer brakes will engage and do all the work. The object is to have the truck brakes do their share and not wear out the trailer brakes too fast. Also, late model trailers have a safety switch which is suppose to engage the brakes if the trailer comes loose. Sometimes it engages on its own and you have to reset it. Trailer pulls bad with this brake on.

KEH

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Jonfarmer

09-14-2005 06:31:38

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

You need to answer 1 big simple question, "what is the biggest and heaviest thing I got that I want to move" and go from there. Theres no sense in throwing away the extra money buying a 10 ton backhoe trailer if your not going to put more than 5 tons on it. I'd suggest you buy something that has enough capacity to haul your 966, because chances are you will probably want to move that some day. I would suggest a 7 ton Kaufmann trailer or something of the like, any bigger than that, is going to be too much for the truck, you will be able to haul your 966 easily with some machinery and you could put alot of hay on it. Plus, the higher the capacity, the heavier the ramps. You might want to play with the ramps before you buy, you don't want to buy something thats going to injure you or give you back problems. Some people are reccomending big dual wheeled tandems, 1st off, you don't have an F550, you have a 3/4ton. 2nd, you don't have any backhoes or bulldozers to haul around, so it just doesn't make any sense.
Hope this helps

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Chad Franke

09-14-2005 06:30:13

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Morning Allan,

Other guys are right, don't buy too big. I had a 36 foot triple axle that I got for a song, couldn't really use it. Damn thing was huge, scrubbed tires like you wouldn't believe (tandem duals are much better than triple singles) and you couldn't use the whole deck unless you were hauling straw or something light.

Also, go dove tail, either pop-up or flip over ramps. Problem I have with flip over ramps is you have to move the tractor/load forward enough to flip the ramps, could see situations where it wasn't possible. I had one guy pick up a tractor with a hydraulic pop-up dovetail trailer, and that was a nice looking set up.

Oil bath bearings are nice, almost zero maintenance, but running around local, just pop the caps on a greased bearing once in a while and you will be fine.

If you go used, look close at the straightness and the deck. People tend to load to volume rather than weight on those trailers, easy to overload a trailer with round bales. Deck wood is expensive...don't buy one with a bad deck unless you price the wood first and the cost of the trailer is in line...

I agree on the winch, you will use it and love it if it's there, cuss how to load things if it's not. Add a couple snatch blocks while you are buying, useful to change the direction of pull to "straighten out" a tractor.

Like was said below, you will want a bigger one at some point. When that happens, buy a 2.5 ton cab/chassis (or your grain truck), put a ball on it and use it, pickups today have all the power to pull anything, but people forget you need stopping power more than go power.

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Rauville

09-14-2005 06:13:27

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Here's a link that will show some of the beavertail types. The local dealer for these trailers lists a 26 foot, 21,040 GVWR, tandem duals for about 6500.
I've had a 25 footer with the lift type beavertail for the past few years, and have been satisfied with it.

Trailers

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pcy1066

09-14-2005 06:08:09

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

in my experence if you put a 20plus 5 20 flat and 5 foot dove dual axel dual wheel your 3/4 ton truck will b close to overloaded with the empty trailor, for hauling hay and eq, ocasnally ypour 966 a 14000 gvw single tire trailor shud work real nice, it wouldent beat the truck up like a 20000 gvw dually trailor will to go on them 300 mile trips to pick up a 5-10000 lb peice, i have a 20000 gvw dually trailor 22 flat with 5 ft adjustable dove 27 ft total will work a 3/4 ton pickup over wile empty, we also have a 20 plus 5 single tire trailor 14000 gvw it has a deck 8x8 on the neck , with our 686 or 656 on it it pulls about the same as the big trailor does empty, if i was only gonna have one trailor it would b the 14000 gvw on the few ocassions a year we haul heavy the tandom is nice, but its a load empty , makes the 2000 ps drink the fuel 13 pulling trailor empty,

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Allan in NE

09-14-2005 06:34:41

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to pcy1066, 09-14-2005 06:08:09

Aw Heck,

Should have stated my needs a little better.

The most this thing will ever get from the yard is a mile and a half out to the hay field and back because I refuse to leave those bales lying out in the field for any length of time.

Perhaps once in a while down to the other farm, to haul a tractor into town to the shop or pick up an item at a farm sale. Just can't imagine hauling over 6 ton ever.

I'm just not a "roader" type. :>)

Thanks,

Allan

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Scotmac

09-14-2005 06:40:38

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 06:34:41

Yeah....but look at all the knowledge you've gained! Priceless!

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Allan in NE

09-14-2005 06:50:22

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Scotmac, 09-14-2005 06:40:38

You're not kiddin' there!

I've gotten to the point that I depend on this place fer darned near everything. :>)

I just didn't wanna end up taking the 966 into town to the shop or something and end up with it in my lap coming down "2-Tall" hill. :>)

Allan

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RustyFarmall

09-14-2005 05:59:54

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, I sent you an e-mail.

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David A. Hodson

09-14-2005 05:32:27

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, I use a 16+4 tadem axle single wheel rated at 14K to haul my 766 or dads 886 cab with full weights wich weighs mor than your 966 probably, and I used to haul a 580C case backhoe with fluid and weights (which I'm sure I was overloaded), Ihaul just about anything you can think of. Oh and its a Corn Pro made here in southern Indiana. Hope this helps If you need to Email me and I'll talk to you later. David

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Coloken

09-14-2005 05:24:19

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winch' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, One thing I bet we all agree on....put a winch on it. (At the top front). Don't even think about it, just bit the bullet and get one. While your spending money, get a long control cable so you can stand at the back to run the winch.

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KEH

09-14-2005 05:07:53

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, Ihave a 24 ft gooseneck that I pull with a flatbed 1 ton. It has a spring loaded dovetail made from angle iron that is moved up into the horizontal position so that hay can be loaded to the back. Ramps are spring loaded. It has 2 axles with single 7.50 x 16 tires. It has oak flooring which I oil occasionally. This gives 20 feet flat for loading tractors. When checking trailors look at the weight it is rated for. That 966 would be a maximum load for my rig. You might want to look at 2 axle dual wheel. Also that much weight will be a load for a 3/4 ton truck to pull. In the recent discussion about diesel pickups I was struck by the fact that it seems like a lot of guys are trying to make a 3/4 or one ton do the job of a big truck rig. This is asking a lot of a small truck. I would guess that your dealer's remarks about neutral means that he is avoiding getting the weight of the goosenect hitch behind the rear axle which would pick up the front of the truck. You want it forward enough to evenly distribute the weight on the truck axles, which raises another issue. Don't get too much weight toward the front of the trailer or you will over load the truck. Using the 966 as an example, don't load it all the way to the front of the trailer. I don't like the ramp system that folds the ramps over to make a flat surface. I'm more comfortable with the ramps upright keeping round bales from rolling off the back. There are numerous makers of trailers and I would get a brand made close to you. Again, check the rated load of the trailer.

KEH

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Coloken

09-14-2005 04:59:04

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, I am jumping in here first befor all the rest get to you. No matter what you get, at some time in the future it will not be big enough. Thats just the way it works. Befor you get done they will tell you that you need two dual axles and 24000 capacity. Then You need a bigger truck to pull it. A 16 foot with 5 foot dove tail fits your 3/4 ton nicely. Will haul about 12000 to 14000 gross. Will all (one at a time) of your tractors fit on that? If not, you need to go bigger, and a real problem comes up. Dove tail with fold up, or one of the new cobinations of course. You will need it flat to haul hay. 16 plus 5 is 21 foot of flat bed and is room for all the hay the tires can stand. Trailer tires are best..absolutly no P radials if you find a used one.

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Allan in NE

09-14-2005 05:09:36

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Coloken, 09-14-2005 04:59:04

Mornin' Kenny,

That is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not a "tractor haulin' guy". But, I'm always needing to haul something here or there in the way of machinery.

What are these "dual axle" things everyone is so crazy about? Dual tires on the same axle?

Thanks,

Allan

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Mike M

09-14-2005 05:48:08

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 05:09:36

Yep ,dual tires on the same axle and 2 axles.That's what I have 20 foot + 5foot beaver tail corn pro.I really liked the way they make the tail to lift up into a flat deck.They hinge the frame and once up or down it will hold full capacity,unlike some that just have a plate that pops up to make it flat.You couldn't drive a tractor on one of those from a loading dock.Don't get a tri axle very hard to turn sharp.With a 3/4 ton a dual tandem is going to be very heavy empty it may be more than you need.Most of the new trailers have torque flex axles (no springs)like most horse trailers do today. This gives you lower loading height and fully independent suspension with no springs and shackles to wear out.Get yourself a B&M or B&W (forget the exact name)hitch I have one with the removeable turnover ball and love it as when not in use it is out of the way ! One of the reasons I first went with a dual tandem was because the wheels and tires matched my pulling truck thus one spare will fit all. You may be better suited to go single tires with rims that match your truck.

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Scotmac

09-14-2005 04:47:44

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan...a good all around 25' gooseneck with a 20,000# GVWR shouldn't cost over $7500.00 brand new. Most of the new ones have a "covertible" dove tail which means you can flip it up to make it 25' flat or in the down position to load and unload a tractor. Good used ones are hard to find and will probably run around half of retail, depending on suspension and overall condition. I'm a dealer...holler at me if you have any other questions.

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Coloken

09-14-2005 05:47:02

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Scotmac, 09-14-2005 04:47:44

Hey Allan, If Scotmac can find something used at half price..talk to him. Used around here are more like 80 percent and hard to find.
Kenny

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Allan in NE

09-14-2005 05:01:58

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Scotmac, 09-14-2005 04:47:44

Scot,

There is one of those new "convertibles" setting in town but it is only 14,000 lbs and he is asking $5400 fer it. Don"t know how long it is.

I really like that rear end on the thing, but overall, it would be too small to be practicable?

Also, should a guy be looking for oil-bath bearings?

Thanks,

Allan

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Scotmac

09-14-2005 05:50:23

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 05:01:58

Allan...depends on what you are wanting to do. Just to haul some round bales or your 966, it would probably be enough. Anything heavier, you'll want to step up to the 20k package. I do a lot of running and I like the heavier trailer because we never know what weight we'll be carrying. And it's nice to have the dual tandems in case you blow a tire, you have one to carry the load until you get to a place safe to change the tire. I and a buddy of mine pulled trailers just like you have described for a number of years and got along fine. One thing about the trailer you are talking about, on a single cab pickup, you should be under the GVWR to require a CDL. Oil bath bearings are nice, but if you keep good care of your trailer, not a must. His price sounds right on the money.

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RustyFarmall

09-14-2005 04:46:21

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Re: Don't Know Nottin' in reply to Allan in NE, 09-14-2005 04:23:13

Allan, it's too early in the morning. Wait til I have some more coffee and I'll give ya some pointers.

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