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Allan in NE

10-16-2005 15:38:03

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Hi Guys,

Now that the big rodeo is over and done with, I'm tryin' to get back to my windbreak building. Even after that big rain, the darned ground is still hard as cement down about two feet and I end up diggin' the post holes by hand anyway.

Think I need a bigger tractor! :>)

Then, there is still the question about what to do with Ol' Snort here. :>)

Have a good one,

Allan

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BobinKY

10-17-2005 17:32:42

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Hey Allen. Hope the wife is on the road to recovery. We have certainly had her in our prayers. I bought a 12" auger (Bush Hog) from the local New Holland Dealer for use on my rock farm in Kentucky. It works great. I put it on behind my old Allis WD and I have never had a problem. The neighbor tells me that they make diamond cutter teeth for these augers, and they really improve the drill time. I have drilled through layered rock with mine and I have never sheared the pin. I have had the auger stick on the side of a rock and go out of sight. I just shut off the PTO and rock the tractor back and forth until I can drag it out of the ground. That ought to get some of the old hands on here cringing! Check the cutting teeth before you spend more money. Just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.

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Sloroll

10-17-2005 07:31:49

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Recycle Allan in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Find an old well to cut up for post holes. That'll keep the environmentalist happy. You are welcome to come back here, dig them and ship them home if you like. If trucking wasn't so expensive right now that could be a viable option. That is a pretty quarter horse. I had an excellent cutter years ago looked alot like him.. until you lifted her tail. Cutters are great fun once you know each other. Best thing in the world around those old Limousines we raised. Those ornery cows knew that horse was smarter than them. THe same cows knew I was dumber. "Candy" saved me a lot of leg work.

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10-17-2005 07:24:59

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Get out your 4 1/2 inch hand grinder and go to work on the point and cutting edges of the auger....if the angles and relief is right she"ll dig. I"ve got adobe on top and shale down 18" here and when my auger (12" on a VAC) starts into that stuff you have to be careful not to let the digger go down too fast when the point is right.

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Brokenwrench

10-17-2005 07:01:25

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Mornin Allan,
Ya, I`ve used them 3pt augers and an auger mounted on the front of a bobcat. Bobcat wins, hands down. I think it`s all to do with the down pressure thing.
Now, that is a mighty fine lookin critter as well.
I respect how you don`t have a great love for the equine thing, but have objectively sized up the situation.
I don`t know if I`d dump him or not, probably leave that up to the wife when she`s recuperated.
Since you`re so far into this horse financially, I`d look for an older, plain jane, broke to death gelding for her to hone her riding skills on.
Cutting horses are trained different than pleasure horses. Alot is done with foot pressure, body position, etc. Even an experienced trail rider could send all the wrong signals and cues to a cutting horse, thus making a bad situation.
If she`s determined to ride him, suggest she find a couple other people to ride with who know their way around a cutting horse. They could give her pointers. If the rider is nervous, I think there is a certain safety in being with others.
Who knows, if the missus figures him out, they could be quite the useful pair to have around the place.
First things first, I hope the wife heals up great and all goes well, things will sort themselves out from there. Brokenwrench

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 07:17:13

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Brokenwrench, 10-17-2005 07:01:25

Yes Sir,

That is exactly what happened. This guy responds totally to leg pressure and verbal commands. On the day in question, that is exactly what he was doing and when she got off balance, things started going downhill in one heck of a hurry.

She just didn't even know she was doin' it. (She shouldn't have said "Whoa"..... .... 'cause when she did; he did.) And, that ol' boy can stop it on a dime. If it wouldn't have hurt her, it would have been funny. :>)

Can't blame an animal for something us humans do. So anyway, I took him away from her. (But, she don't know it yet, tho.) :>)

Allan

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Rauville

10-17-2005 05:59:42

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Allan;
Nice looking horse. If he has a King Ranch background with probably a Mr San Peppy / Leo bloodline...he's one fine animal.
As far as digging holes; do yourself a favor and buy a nice used skidsteer with cab and heater. Add a good posthole digger, and it will drill a hole anywhere you want, and it will turn out to be the handiest thing on the place.
And once your Wife decides to operate it, she will spend more time on that than the horse! (And the last statement comes from seeing it happen on our place.)
Good Luck with everything, and get well wishes for your Wife.

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Mn Dave

10-17-2005 05:01:47

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Looks like a new post hole auger behind your tractor. I can remember going to a consignment auction and coming home with a used 8 in. 3 pt. auger, just to make our lives easier. That darn thing wouldn't dig through a piece of foam rubber. We made a long pry bar to help it dig, not much luck. Then we borrowed a neighbors JD 3 pt auger and it was a 10 in.(who ever makes them for JD??) and it went right down, in fact we had to hold it back. Now I use my sons hyd. auger on a Bobcat. Not all augers are built the same, that's for sure. Been busy picking ear corn and need to get things wrapped up before the snow flies in southern Mn. just as you do in Neb. Good luck.

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Scotmac

10-17-2005 04:41:09

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Mornin' Allan! I used ether to help blow up them big tires....maybe when your digger quits, you should give the posthole a big whiff of ether, lite it and see what happens. And....if 'ol Snort there was standin' too close to the hole....well...uh, er...maybe you better not. LOL! Good luck and have a good day!

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R. John Johnson

10-17-2005 03:20:32

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Allan

Nice as it might sound, more horsepower will just burn more fuel spinning the auger on the surface. You need downpressure. Get a hydraulically driven one and mount it on the end of your front end loader. I suppose one other thing you could try would be to build a weight that could be added to the 3 point while the auger was mounted. This, however, might take a lot of weight to be effective.

As far as ol' Snort, you must ask yourself two questions. First is he liable to do this again. If he isn't then he can stay and the wife is happy. If he is liable to do it again, can your wife bear to part with him? If so get another nag with a few more years and a few more miles on it so it's less likely to act up. If your wife can't bear to part with him and he's not safe to ride(worst case scenario) then sell the saddle and your wife doesn't try to ride him. Keep your wife safe and happy, 'cause if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody hapy. BTDT.

John

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 03:35:14

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to R. John Johnson, 10-17-2005 03:20:32

Oh Heck,

Horse didn't do a thing wrong. I saw the whole thing happen; she just plain fell off him.

Yep, she needs an old plug. :>)

Allan

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Jay (ND)

10-16-2005 18:40:17

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Allan - I respect you quite a bit. You've went through tough times doing the thing you loved, only to recoup and be successful enough to give it a second shot. You love your wife enough to give her what she wants even when you aren't so crazy about it. There is a lot of good in all of that. But now you really should think about some tough love with that there animal. I'm not saying to destroy him or anything, just get rid of him. The next time we all could be offering our sympathy. I'd hate to see that.

Jay

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 03:12:55

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Jay (ND), 10-16-2005 18:40:17

Hi Jay,

Aw heck, I'm so far behind the eight-ball on this feller now, that I'll never see daylight again. Besides, I can always use him next spring when the calves get here.

The fault was all mine; I never should have let the wife up on him. She is from back east and I think she now understands that when we say, "cow pony" out here, we don't literally mean "pony". :>(

He is short, quick, was bred and trained to work cattle and does exactly as he is queued. She, on the other hand wasn't, and it is sad to say, but she just plain doesn't know how to handle this guy.

If anyone needs to go down the road, it's me. I should have known better. :>)

Allan

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Case Lady

10-17-2005 10:49:50

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-17-2005 03:12:55

You want to find him a good home? I am looking for a good horse for myself. I got two mares that are 29 and I just can't stand the thought of getting rid of them, so you know you could tell wife he has a good home from now on...

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 17:31:28

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Case Lady, 10-17-2005 10:49:50

Oh heck,

She's already dealin' on his full sister, so 'spose I better keep the old feller to help out with the chores around here.

Allan

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Jay (ND)

10-17-2005 05:27:55

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-17-2005 03:12:55

Best of luck with that Allan. Sorry for sticking my nose where it don't belong, just concerned. Have a great day!

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mlm

10-16-2005 17:33:20

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

A 820 Belarus has down pressure on the 3 point. It will either bore a hole or break the auger frame. The rear tires can come off the ground with a bale fork. works good for repairing tires. Yes I know, Belarus does noit have a good name.

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the tractor vet

10-16-2005 17:29:50

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Allen if ya want to put a hole inhard ground the best way we found this summer was my buddy's New Holland skid steer with a Hdy auger on it we tryed with my 806 and a Danuser digger with new bits and even a long 4x4 straped to it with the two of us doing chin ups on it and all it did was make these cute littel circles in the dirt . I went a took the hdy auger from work and we drill holes and put posts in the ground that was hard enough to make the spudbar bounce. We are now on the lookout for our owen That is how you make holes and the nice thing about it that when it hits a rock it stops so ya don't break anything. Nomore u/joints or shear pins or gearset i loved it.

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Leland

10-16-2005 20:04:17

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to the tractor vet, 10-16-2005 17:29:50

I have saw the so hard we would use the bobcat and push the digger into the ground , I suppose a loader tractor would work also , only sheared a couple of bolts doing this . Beats the heck out digging them by hand .

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olivergreen

10-16-2005 17:27:06

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Hey Allan,Give ol snort a 20 mile workout Then let the wife take a ride. Marty

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KEH

10-16-2005 17:01:22

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Allan, Hope wife continues to improve so she can supervise you! What kind of lumber are you using? Don't guess it matters much out there in the dry country.

KEH

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 03:15:25

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to KEH, 10-16-2005 17:01:22

Hi Guy,

Just using plain ol' ponderosa pine. The windbreak will be built from roofing tin with about 2 or 3" spacing between sheets.

Allan

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Keith-OR

10-16-2005 16:50:52

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

Hey Allan, Danuser Manufacturing makes a down pressure for their post digger, which looks like that is what you are using... sure looks like mine. Is Ol'Snort Doc Bar breeding, sure looks like the cutting stock around here. And how's the wife doing??? A lot better I hope..Keith

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Doc Bar

10-16-2005 18:07:59

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Keith-OR, 10-16-2005 16:50:52

Hey Keith-didn't Doc Bar come from Dakota?

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Keith-OR

10-16-2005 21:15:02

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Doc Bar, 10-16-2005 18:07:59

No, Doc bar was from AZ. I think the Finley Ranch. Then moved to CA. Was bred as a speed horse, but was to short, at 14.2 or 14.3. Good speed Quarter horse should be 15.2 to 16+...Keith

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Allan in NE

10-17-2005 03:29:01

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Keith-OR, 10-16-2005 21:15:02

Mornin' Keith,

Ain't that awful? Just spent the price of a IH 1066 on this guy and can't tell you his line.

However, I do know that the lineage is from the King Ranch in Texas with Sassy Chick as his Dam. Darned if I can remember the sire. I'll have to have the wife bring me up to speed when she gets up. :>(

I'm no cowboy by any stretch of the imagination, but will have to admit that it is enjoyable to watch this fellow work calves.

Allan

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Keith-OR

10-17-2005 12:19:16

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-17-2005 03:29:01

Well it is afternoon here now Allan. Most cutting horses have Doc Bar some where in their lineage. Doc Bar, himself was not a cutting horse but most of his off spring were. Such as I know!! :-) Keith

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ShepFL

10-16-2005 17:31:40

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Keith-OR, 10-16-2005 16:50:52

I would keep the hoss, just work him out some so he is understands the Mrs. is the boss.

Ol Snort does look like those Doc Bar hosses. Kinda favors a stud hoss my Dad had yrs. ago Jet Oil El Do - he to was of the same line.

I like the Leo and Three Bars line - running Qtr Hosses that cut and cutting hosses that can run!

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evielboweviel

10-16-2005 16:07:03

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 15:38:03

there is a posthole digger out there that has down pressure, supposed to dig thru anything. Have seen pictures posted but don't remember what the name is.
How did the plowing turn out? It was too dry here and hard a very hard time plowing 22 acres of sod only 18 years since last turned. Then got rains as needed and it worked up good. Planted wheat Oct 2 and out of ground Oct 8.

Still pulling for your wife to recover.
Good luck
Ron

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Allan in NE

10-16-2005 16:13:04

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to evielboweviel, 10-16-2005 16:07:03

Hi Ron,

I'm up against a "stuck place" and a rock. Waitin' fer the prior owners to combine their alfalfa seed.

'Twas part of the purchase agreement, so a deal is a deal and I can't upset the rest of the place yet til that comes to pass.

By that time, will probably be snowing. :>)

Allan

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CACTUS FARMER

10-16-2005 16:17:13

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 16:13:04

Can't plow snow?

BTW, is Ol' Snort the culprit?

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Allan in NE

10-16-2005 16:22:38

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to CACTUS FARMER, 10-16-2005 16:17:13

Yep,

That be the little feller. Looks pretty harmless to me, don't he you? (Don't tell wife, I said that!) :>)

Allan

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Cactus Farmer

10-16-2005 16:30:26

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Re: More Horsepower? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-16-2005 16:22:38

Could he pull a plow? Hitch him up to a Big rock and let him "play" with that.....

Is he a "bad boy"? Or just had a bad day? He sure looks good....

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