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Doug in IL.

03-27-2006 19:21:07




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My son has a '94 Lumina with a 3.1 V6. It is running very rich. It also idled poorly. We replaced the MAP sensor and it seems to have helped the idle, but it still smokes as black as an old locomotive! It does not have a MAF sensor. It just suddenly started doing this about 2 weeks ago. Any ideas? I need to get this thing fixed, so I can get the old Allis U back in the shop! Thanks!




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bradk

03-29-2006 07:03:45




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
It sounds like the EGR valve is hung open due to sticking or a chunk of carbon. That engine should have a digital EGR which has 3 solenoids to control 3 different size orifices. Remove valve & inspect. All 3 valves should be seated, and push in, and return freely. The MAP sensor almost always sets that code when the engine runs real rough due to EGR valve problems. ~brad



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Matt in the Thumb

03-28-2006 12:30:20




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
We had a 91 Lumina do the same thing, and it ended up being the ECU itself being bad.



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John M

03-28-2006 03:29:06




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
It sounds to me like the torque converter clutch is sticking. It's a common problem with the 3 speed auto transaxle on that car. To check it out, find the electrical connector located on the front side of the trans near the cooling fan. Unplug the connector and take her out for a drive. That will prevent the converter from locking up. If that's the case, it'll need a TCC solenoid, located inside the side cover behind the LF wheel. If you can't get to it for awhile, or if money is a problem, it won't hurt to drive it with the thing unplugged for a while. But understand that the gas mileage will be much lower.

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KEB

03-27-2006 20:46:13




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
94 should still be OBD-1, which means you can read trouble codes with a paperclip. Do a google search, there are a number of sites that'll tell you how to read the codes & what they mean.

On a Chevy, basically you short two terminals in the OBD connector under the dash with a paperclip, turn the key to the run position but don't start the engine, and count the flashes on the check engine light. OBD-1 Fords have a similar procedure but use voltage pulses out of an underhood diagnostic connector instead of flashing the check engine light.

Good luck. I seem to remember that there are a few things that'll cause it to run rich or go into limp-home mode but won't set a trouble code, but its been long enough since I owned an OBD-I Chevy that I don't remember the details.

Keith

PS...Haynes, Chiltons, etc. will have the diagnostic codes in their repair manuals also. Most libraries have them.

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Doug in IL

03-28-2006 05:33:10




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to KEB, 03-27-2006 20:46:13  
We did run the trouble codes when we started working on the car. There were 4 of them. 23, 33, 44 & 45. Code 33 was the one that suggested replacing the MAP sensor. Code 44 is "Lean Exhaust" Code 45 is "Rich Exhaust". Code 23 is "Manifold Air Temp. We do have the Haynes repair manual for the Lumina. I don't know if this would have any thing to do with it, but we replaced a leaking water pump on the car about the same time this "running rich" problem started. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions so far.

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Allan In NE

03-28-2006 05:51:42




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL, 03-28-2006 05:33:10  
Doug,

A "general" rule of thumb is to always look at the lowest trouble code first.

I don't think that car is going into loop since you're showing both a 44 and a 45 as well as the 33. Is the temp sensor plugged in? The one with the black/yellow w/black tracer colored wires?

The computer control of the fuel system kicks in at 151 degrees. If the computer cannot see that temp, it just "throws fuel" at the engine to keep it going.

I'd clear all the codes, take it out for a spin and see which code trips the light first and concentrate on that area.

Hope ya get it,

Allan

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KEB

03-27-2006 21:00:03




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to KEB, 03-27-2006 20:46:13  
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Allan In NE

03-27-2006 19:45:08




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
Doug,

The worst thing you can do is just start throwin' parts at it because the problem could be anything from a plugged air filter to an O2 sensor to a thermostat (yes thermostat).

From what you say, it sounds as though it is in "limp to the hospital" mode, which means that the computer is just throwing fuel at it to keep it running.

It needs to be properly diagonised by first having the trouble codes read and a trouble tree ran.

Just my opinion,

Allan

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gab

03-27-2006 19:44:46




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to Doug in IL., 03-27-2006 19:21:07  
Pull the vac. hose off the fuel pressure regulator and check for gas, should be dry. Jim



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Revredneck

03-28-2006 06:10:41




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 Re: OT Chevy Lumina in reply to gab, 03-27-2006 19:44:46  
I agree with gab. Sometimes the fuel pressure regulator will rupture and leak raw fuel into the intake through the vacuum line, making her run rich. If that's not the cause, then you need to check for a leaking injector. Hook up a good fuel pressure gage, then turn on the ignition without starting and watch the gage. It should reach full pressure (about 30-35 psi) and hold there for at least a few minutes. If it leaks off and the regulator isn't leaking (not likely), then pull the fuel rail out with the lines still attached and do the leakdown test again while watching the injector tips. If there is any leakage, replace that injector. Hope this helps.
Good Luck and God Bless, Tommy

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