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Nathan in Texas

03-31-2006 08:19:48




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Okay, I'm about to pull the trigger on my barn. I know everyone said that 30' x 40' would be too small but that fits in the budget and I put an outline on the ground and parked all my equipment inside it and I think it will work for now.

With that said, I do have a question on what is the best location for the door. I think I want a 12' wide door instead of a 10' wide one because that will allow my tractor to stay parked in front of the door while the ATV's can go in and out.

I guess one option that I don't know how much would cost would be to put a small 9'x7' door in on the other side of the barn just to get the ATV's in and out of and have a 9'X10' door for the tractor.

If I just put in one door, I can't decide if it should go in the middle or if I should put it off to the side. I think I want the entry door on the side of the building that is nearest to the house. I thought with the window on the opposite side of the door and the predominant wind out of the South (where the main door is) I could get a nice breeze through there in the Summer when I'm in there working on something.

The plans are for all the equipment to be toward the front of the barn and my workbench and stuff like that toward the back.

I drew up a crappy sketch:

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Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks, Nathan

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Nathan in Texas

04-01-2006 09:55:06




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 Latest sketch and plans in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Thanks everyone for the input. I'm trying to take everyone's suggestions and apply them to my situation.

I've about decided on a single 16' wide door centered on the front of the building.

Here's the latest sketch. It is pretty much drawn to scale and I put all the equipment that I have now in it to see how much space they would take.

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MarkB_MI

04-02-2006 05:00:12




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 Re: Latest sketch and plans in reply to Nathan in Texas, 04-01-2006 09:55:06  
Looks like a nice setup to me. Good luck with your project.



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MarkB_MI

04-01-2006 05:47:33




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
My shop is 30x40 with 10' sidewalls. Yes, it filled up quickly, but I still don't think I would have gone bigger if I had it to do over again. I might have gone with 12' sidewalls so I could put in a lift.

If you put in two big doors, it will be easier to get stuff in and out, but you will lose a lot of wall space. Because of where my shop is located, I could only put in one door. It's sometimes a problem to get stuff in and out, but it's not that big of a deal.

How high are your sidewalls, and how high will your doors be? Overhead doors normally need at least a foot of overhead, plus another foot for the opener. Which means 8 feet is about it in a 10' sidewall building. A sliding door needs no overhead, so you can have a 10' tall door in the end of a 10' sidewall building. (You can't get a full height slider in the side of pole barn because you lose a foot to the headers.)

I put my entry door in the end of the building so I don't get soaked when it's raining. (No gutters to clean.) I put it on to the right of the overhead door (as you face the building) so if I'm pulling a vehicle in I don't have to walk to the other side of the vehicle to get to the entry door. Coincidentally the door is at the corner closest to the house.

I put in a 16' wide by 8' tall overhead door exactly in the center of the end of the building. I definitely would not go with a narrower door. You want to be able to get in and out when there's a disabled vehicle in the building.

Good luck.

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Mark - IN.

03-31-2006 21:55:00




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
You're asking, so I'm telling. Overhead or sliding door at both ends. If was a big enough barn, one on one of the sides. I didn't center my doors. Put sliders opposite of each other along one of the sides at both ends so can park stuff in bays so to speak, can pass right through the barn out into a pasture unubstructed when need to. But if you put them on one of the sides, make them wider so can turn and not bang into a wall.

One other thing, if you figure you need a 12' wide door, go at least 14' before its built. Nice thing about a slider is once figure out that after put the new duals on and now that tractor won't fit through either one of those !@#$%^&* doors, can take down a pole at each end, use the extra metal to make new wider doors after put in a wider track. Means taking down and cutting plenty of metal though. Can be done, aint at all fun, especially when could've and should've just gone 20' (2 spans) to begin with. I've been known to be plenty stupid from time to time, especially the first round, so learn from my mistakes, don't repeat them.

Mark

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Nathan in Texas

03-31-2006 17:57:36




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Everyone says the building will be too small and that I need more doors but to be honest I think it will be mostly empty concrete.

From my current perspective this will basically be a garage for my tractor and ATV's. I'll park my motorcycle and my riding lawnmower in there as well. That doesn't even take up 1/2 the space when I parked them all inside the outline.

I'm really wanting to know what kind of things I will need to be putting in there because right now I can't think of any. What am I going to put in the back that I need to get in there that will be too far from the access door?

I haven't decided if I will leave the rotary mower in there when not in use or not. I tend to leave the back blade on the tractor more than the mower.

Thanks for the input, I really am trying to take all this into consideration.

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evielboweviel

03-31-2006 18:12:27




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 17:57:36  
I like your idea of two doors on the left. also recomend framing for a door on the same side as your access door at the opposite end.
Then you get into all the lighting, power, heat/ac, air pipeing issuses etc.
I would install two inch foam under all the tin roof and sides. At least on the end where you want your little shop then you can build an interior wall so you can heat/ac that section and afford the utility bill.
think about floor drains, one section totally flat for assembling projects and steel plates in the floor at various spots. insulate under the floor with foam if your area gets cold at night to stop it from sweating during the day.
Good luck
Ron

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Mark

03-31-2006 16:04:21




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
How about rotating the building to save the tree. Then by all means....use a door on each end! My building is 28x40...wish it was 56x80!!! Yes, the money clip is the limiting factor for most of us, so make the most of what you have to work with. I like lots of windows...natural light is the very best and next is plenty of ventilation...those open ends will provide that. If possible, face the doors east and west for good breezes and the south facing windows pour in the light...if sunshine makes too much heat...use those cheap Venitian blinds to shut it out. And use lots of insulation, nothing like a draft a$$ building in the winter.

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VADAVE

03-31-2006 15:39:49




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Here's what I have done, and wished I had done. Also what I have observed of others.
My building has 6 bays 40 foot deep by 17 foot wide running the length of the building. I made my doors 16 foot wide and they are either wider then necessary or too narrow depending on the equipment. Do it again I will make the doors 15 foot wide--WHY? Highway lanes are 14 foot wide and you need enough space to back the equipment in. If your equipment folds it should fit in a highway lane. Non folding stuff will be too wide so I will put one 20 foot door in one end just for the wide stuff.
Good question--center or offset. I have noticed that those with the centered door park their stuff on each side of the center aisle. If it is offset the aisle just runs along one wall.

It's your decision. Which ever you decide you'll find reasons to do it different the next time.

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Nathan in Texas

03-31-2006 14:40:07




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
One thing I've learned from my various posts on this building is that it really is amazing how widely varied construction practices are from one part of the country to the next. The other thing I've learned is that we are blessed to have about the easiest building conditions of any.

One thing I don't understand is that several people are saying that I should put a door at each end. I don't understand why I would need to drive my tractor through the building instead of just backing it out the door? This would completely kill my idea of having a little shop type area in the back of the barn with the nice window looking over the canyon and my pretty tree! (The sad thing is that it is just a mesquite tree but people telling me to cut it down haven't lived out in West Texas! ;) )

My local contractor also doesn't recommend the light panels either. Says they are prone to leaks and hail damage. I was just going to put in some shop lights.

Thanks for the input! Keep it coming!

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john d

03-31-2006 13:51:05




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Nathan, I'd go with door in each end if possible, and if the budget won't stand that, I'll echo Budd's suggestion to frame for the door and install it later.

On a hot day when you have to work in there, you'll have a nice breeze with two doors. It also makes it easier to get equipment in and out, especially the piece of equipment you happen to want at the time.

Concerning the size of the door...you'll have a better idea of what size door you need than the rest of us. A 12' overhead door is nice, but don't overlook the possibility of two 8' sliding doors that separate to provide a 16' opening.

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Dave from MN

03-31-2006 13:44:01




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Nathan, I built a 36x48 fall of 04. I had the front door just like your (a 16'x10') and also put a door in the rear were your window is. Now that I have had the shed and learned a few things I wish i would have put the main front door on either side rather than in the center. It would have really helped with the utilization of space. My 2 cents.



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J-TEX

03-31-2006 12:14:35




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
My barn is 50x60 with doors on north and south in the center. drive through is real handy. I"m also in Texas and the doors sure help out in July and August if you know what I mean.



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BUDD

03-31-2006 12:05:10




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Nathan in Texas

Here is something to think about. If you think you may in the future want a door in another area of the bldg, but can not aford it now just have it framed up and sided over. That will make it easyer in the future to add the door.

just a thought BUDD



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Bill(Wis)

03-31-2006 11:26:45




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
I go for the center aisle down the long axis concept but that only gives you about 10 feet either side of a 10 foot center aisle. Is that enough? I'm laying out my new machinery storage shed to be 60' X 85', roughly twice the size you're planning, but that will give me 20' of parking space either side of 20' center aisle. I'm also planning for a big side door on the south side to let in fresh air and sunshine and the north side will be solid wall. But that's because of the cold northerly winds. Maybe not so much of a consideration where you are. Also, door height might be a consideration, for example I need mine to be high enough for a combine or gravity wagons with top extensions so I'm going for 16'high and 24' wide for the centered end doors. Skylights because I don't like to stumble around in a dark shed and why turn lights on when the sun is shining?

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John in Ne.

03-31-2006 11:12:32




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
I had a 28x34 barn at our old place with a door in each end.That was pretty handy when working on tractors,because I could pull the dead one in or out with a live one.I just got a new 40x60 building in January at our new place.I put in a 12w x10t door offset to one side in it.A second door would have been nice but you do lose wall or parking space with a second door.I was also a little worried about security with a door along the alley.It has a walk in door of course, and two 4x4 windows. John.

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Princeton Bill

03-31-2006 11:00:51




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Two overhead doors sounds like a good idea.

If you are going to have the building fairly well "full" of equipment you might want to consider putting your bench, tools, etc. along the side of the building towards the front. Then you won't have to move the things in the back to get what you are working on close to the bench and tools.

I know you can make that decision after the building is up and you have used it for awhile. But if you think the side might be where you put the bench it would be nice to have a window in that area. A window would provide extra light and maybe allow a little more breeze through the work area.

Are you putting translucent panels in the roof? We built a building about the size of yours with 4 panels and they sure do let in a lot light.

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Stan(PA)

03-31-2006 11:00:20




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Mine is 30x40, and, yes, I wish it was bigger! Anyway, I"d go with the door in the center, so you have usable space against the walls, and the center is your "clear space" to drive out ect. If you add another door to the front, you lose a lot of space, because you have to keep the area in front of another door clear. I back the tractors against the side walls, and can pull any one out down the center of the building. I have tools ect. on one side of the door, and my sink and compressor on the other side of the door. The entire 2/3 to the rear is for parking my tractors. It works out very well with the center door (my door is 9 high by 10 wide). If you must have another door, put it in the center, rear of the building. That way, you still only need to keep that "center aisle" clear.

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Nathan in Texas

03-31-2006 09:19:31




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Okay, thanks for the quick replies.

A couple things I need to add. On the top side of the drawing I think that eventually I may add a lean to for storing implements. I guess that rules out a door on that side.

The other is that the back side of the building has about a 2' drop and a big tree on the bottom side. I don't want to get rid of the tree (they are rare around here).

What about 2 doors both on the front? One larger door for the tractor and one smaller one for ATV's and stuff. I could just leave the tractor parked in front of it's door and not worry about moving it around to get other stuff in and out. If a small overhead door is only $300 more that's what I think I will do.

How about this setup?

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Thanks, Nathan

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mjbrown

03-31-2006 10:17:36




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 09:19:31  
I put two 18' doors in mine (36x60) offset to one side on opposite ends because the barn is set into a slope, I can pull equipment straight through and the other side makes a good shop area for a work bench etc. at one end and storage on the other.



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paul

03-31-2006 08:45:25




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
You would like the 2nd smaller door in the back side. Would be real handy.

Door in the middle is best, can park stuff in the corners - corners are the place to put stuff. :) But, can have a good argument to off-center it too if that is what you need.

--->Paul



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730virgil

03-31-2006 08:39:17




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
second door is almost a must , also walk in door is very handy .



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jhill

03-31-2006 08:35:41




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Definitely put in 2 doors one 12 ft wide and one 7x8. A 7x8 garage is only about 300 dollars. I only have 1 in mine and sure wish I had 2. Also a door or window in the back for a fire escape.



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Joe MD

03-31-2006 08:28:43




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 Re: Barn door location? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-31-2006 08:19:48  
Nathan,

I think your idea of a bigger door is a good one, but I also think having doors on both ends is a good idea as well.

We only have 8ft wide doors and it is a constant juggle to get certain equipment in and out.

The reason to have doors on both ends might be that if you want to wrench on something real fast you could just pull the tractor through the door by your tools. This way you don't have to trip all over your other equipment. Also, you can get a nice breeze going.

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