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welding on a rim

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Bud Sather in M

05-01-2006 09:50:39




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Guys,
Noticed yesterday that the rim on my 4010 has a crack on both sides of the valve stem. The total length of the crack is about a foot. I noticed that the hole is slightly enlarged. My question, Can I remove the tire and weld the rim and fix the hole where the valve stem comes through or is welding on the rim not a good idea. Thanks for your responses in advance.
Bud




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T_Bone

05-01-2006 16:48:54




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-01-2006 09:50:39  
Hi Bud,

What I would do is to clean the area to be welded then tack weld the cracks about every 2", about 1/4" to 3/8" long, then take a cutting torch and start heating the crack area starting at the stem hole working your way to the end of the cracks. Work to apply a fairly even heat along the entire area about 1" wide or so. The pre-tacks hold the metal from off-setting when you heat it. I always tack weld about 20amps hotter than I weld at.

Want you want to end up in the heat zone is a very dull red color but you want the red to start at the stem hole and work towards the end of the cracks. This will stress relieve this area so it won't recrack latter on. A rose bud will apply too large of a heat zone.

Once your stress relieve, let the area air cool, then prep the cracks,"V" groove slightly, then weld from the stem hole outwards.

I like the idea about drilling a new hole. Great idea. To fill the old hole just clamp a piece of flat copper on the non weld side then fill the hole with weld then remove the Cu chill bar and flush weld if needed. A piece of scrap CU pipe flaten works well.

Finish grind the surface to suit your likes.

T_Bone

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Mt Roy

05-01-2006 16:15:45




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-01-2006 09:50:39  
Keep mind the tires only hold 12 PSI. Weld it up. I like the new hole idea.

Good Luck and N-JOY!!!!! !!!



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Bob

05-01-2006 20:31:02




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Mt Roy, 05-01-2006 16:15:45  
On one hand, we have a local welding shop that welds on rims all the time, even makes bands and widens them, or narrows them, as requested. I've never heard of a problem with any they've done.

On the other hand, the "tractor tires only hold 12PSI" statement is deceiving. There's a lot of force contained in a tractor tire, even at 12PSI, enough to hurt or kill someone, if the tire or rim lets go.

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RodInNS

05-01-2006 20:52:16




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Bob, 05-01-2006 20:31:02  
Bob,

You are exactly right about the ability of a tire to kill with 12PSI. We should think of these things in terms of stored energy rather than in terms of pressure. It could have 1000 psi, but if there was only one cubic inch compressed to that pressure, it would do little or nothing to release that volume of air. However, 1 cubic foot at that pressure would propell a tank through a wall. It's about stored energy.
That's why high pressure tanks are hydrostatically tested. The tank is filled with water, and then held under pressure. The water doesn't compress, so it is incapable of storing more energy at a given temperature. Therefore, if there is a failure, nobody is killed. Never underestimate the forces or energy stored in a pressurised tire.

Rod

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woodache

05-01-2006 10:21:38




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 Tire Repair some will some wont Re:welding on a ri in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-01-2006 09:50:39  
Tire Repair some will some wont.Some tire repair shops will not replace a tire on any welded rim of any kind. So if you fix your own tires OK weld it if rim is soild. But check with your tire shop if you use one to see if they will put a tire on a welded rim.



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RAB

05-01-2006 10:13:57




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-01-2006 09:50:39  
Don"t even try to fix that hole. Drill another on a better part of the rim. You can even reinforce the rim at the damaged section without the hole to worry about.
Regards, RAB



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Wild Bill

05-01-2006 09:55:32




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 Re: welding on a rim in reply to Bud Sather in MT, 05-01-2006 09:50:39  
Bud, we aren't talkig about race cars, it will be fine to weld on the rim. But, You might find out that the rim is in worse shape than you thought once you get it broken down though. If it is getting thin all over, then it might be time to get another.



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