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dej(JED)

05-04-2006 06:59:37

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Last nite I hooked the M to an 8 foot disk and then I tied the 9 foot springtooth behind it. I am running 16.9 x 38 tires on the M with no fluid or weights. The tractor has plenty of power, but seems to want to spin a lot. Do you think a set of wheel weights would help?

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Ross Pugh(NC)

05-07-2006 14:25:58

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Yep, I do.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

05-07-2006 14:25:07

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Yep, I do.

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RAB

05-04-2006 14:28:01

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

The answer to your question is yes, they would help. Whether it would be a complete fix - don"t know. Depends on what you mean by "seems to want to spin a lot"
RAB

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Glenn F.

05-04-2006 09:43:24

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Fill those tires up to 80%+ CC and your traction problems will be over and your clutch problems will begin. Assuming you have the proper width rims, add the CC and be careful. Glenn

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dej(JED)

05-04-2006 09:24:00

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

The tractor is light enough to haul on small trailer, so I take it up to a piece of deer hunting property to til with. It has the 4 1/8 th firedomes in it and we took a half inch of the head, so the 16.9 x 38's are no problem. I am working up about 10 acres for corn and I thought I could save some time by hooking the springtooth on behind. I will just drop the one harrow and next time add some weights. thanks..

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Mike M

05-04-2006 09:30:54

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 09:24:00

Trust me the tires are the problem ! 16.9-38 on a tractor that small is great for brushogging swamp ground as you float on top ! That's what you are doing in the plowed ground. Floating on top ! Where if you had something smaller like a 13.?-38 with good tread you could get a bite. With pulled implements make sure your drawbar is the proper height so as you pull it pulls down on the rear end makeing it bite in.

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Nebraska Cowman

05-04-2006 13:44:20

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Mike M, 05-04-2006 09:30:54

So by your estimation an M or similar sized tractor with duals would be almost helpless? And then why do tractor pulling rules have size limits? I agree he needs more weight to pull the dish-harrow combination but I doubt taking tire away would fix it.

Even bad boys are just as good as they can be

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Mike M

05-04-2006 18:48:39

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 05-04-2006 13:44:20

I had a JD 50 that someone put 15.5-38 tires on it. Worked great to mow wet ground but was worthless to try to pull anything with it. I found some right sized rims and tires maybe 11 or 12" I forget ? but then it would really pull good. An 8' disk shouldn't be that hard to pull I could pull one with my JD 50

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RodInNS

05-04-2006 19:31:37

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Mike M, 05-04-2006 18:48:39

If you were running on a hard, slick surface, then what you are saying would be true. The greater ground pressure from the narrower tire would gain you traction. However, in field conditions, with a lug tire, it's all about contact plate area. The more the better. And the more weight on that tractor, the better, to a point. You can over ballast, but the principle problem here is a definite lack of ballast. Most people would dual up, and add more weight to tie the power to the ground. I seriously doubt that a narrower tire will help in field conditions.

Rod

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Mike M

05-05-2006 06:54:39

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to RodInNS, 05-04-2006 19:31:37

You just made my point it is all about contact plate area or psi and a wider tire is not going to put what weight you have to as good of use as as the narrow tire. A narrow tire will go down through and get a bite providing the ground is not mud with no bottom.

Many people don't seem to understand this on their pick up trucks and go too wide. The factory included ! I always got around much better with my older trucks that came with the skinny tires than these newer trucks with the wide ones.

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RodInNS

05-05-2006 11:42:07

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Mike M, 05-05-2006 06:54:39

I made your point with regard to hard slick surfaces, namely ice. In field conditions, particulairly in loose soil, you want all the tire you can get, and then double them up. I wouldn't argue that there does need to be a certain ground pressure to get a bit. It does depend somewhat on the surface type. However in general terms the more rubber on the road, the more you're going to pull. You just need to add the appropriate amount of weight to get the pull. Look at drag racers. They don't have narrow tires. Look at nearly any tractor coming off the line today; espectially the Euro tractors. They've all got massive low profile radials. It's all about area, and the more the better. I'm sure if you looked toward the Nebraska test data, there would be a mountain of evidence to support that too.

Rod

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Mike M

05-05-2006 12:05:43

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to RodInNS, 05-05-2006 11:42:07

So if Farmall M's worked so great with HUGE tires then why the heck didn't they come that way from the factory ? I give the engineers of that time more credit than most people do.
You can't run the same tires for a track (pulling track) that you need for real field conditions.And even in the real field if it's real wet then your going to need duals or super wide floaters or sink plain and simple.But if it's that wet he needs to wait for it to dry out some before disking. I still say if it's dry this guys going to be a whole lot better off with a stock size tire.

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RodInNS

05-05-2006 15:10:21

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Mike M, 05-05-2006 12:05:43

Why was anything done the way it was done 50 years ago? I guess they used what they had, and when they found something better, they used that. It's the same way now.
Duals are not necessairly for flotation either. In fact, they're seldom used for flotation. They're used for pulling power. Look at the large 4WD super tractors. They often run triples on all 4 corners to harness that power. If they didn't, they would spin out on hard ground. More wheels makes use of the power. More area. More weight too. However, if the narrow singles work for you, I guess there's no real need to argue about it.

Rod

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Mike M

05-05-2006 18:40:21

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to RodInNS, 05-05-2006 15:10:21

I'm not arguing about the new "super tractors" as they weight many many thousands of pounds more than you could ever weight a Farmall M up to. Take the given weight of an M to the width of tire he has. That's just way too much tire for that tractor ! At this fellows first posting I invisioned a hopped up M chrome stake and all way oversized tires and way too high of a drawbar hitch point too far up like set up for pulling on a track and that is a different world all together. Much like when that Home make over show thought they would pull down an old house with about 1/2 dozen super modified pulling tractors. It just wasn't going to happen as they can't get traction off a track. And I also can see my John Deere B hooked up to that 8 foot disk and pulling it no problem ! I'd more than likely not be able to run that spring tooth very deep or maybe not at all but traction shouldn't be a problem but HP will be as I suspect it is around 30 HP ?

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george md

05-04-2006 08:03:25

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Empty tires are for guys that go to shows or parades . Fill the tires , add a set of weights,
and put on a set of bolt on or clamp on duals
and you will think you just bought a bigger tractor.

george

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Nebraska Cowman

05-04-2006 07:53:29

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

calcium would add around 1000 pounds and do you a world of good. It would be hard to get enough iron to help much. If your M has high-power pistons you may want both. I know I have an unweighted M and it is too light to disk with. Shoot, even my 560 wheatland slips plenty. My first choice is to buy a bigger tractor and leave the fluid out but that is not always an option.

Even bad boys are just as good as they can be

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Borg

05-04-2006 19:15:35

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 05-04-2006 07:53:29

16.9s hold about 90 gallons to the top of the rim. That would make about 1800 lbs of CaCl @ 10 lbs/gal.

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Mike M

05-04-2006 07:35:03

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Your rear tires are too wide ! Put a normal set on for that size tractor and it will be fine.

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Allan In NE

05-04-2006 08:02:11

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Mike M, 05-04-2006 07:35:03

Had to read that again. :>)

Wow, I guess so. That is wayyyyy too much tire for an old M.

Allan

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Allan In NE

05-04-2006 07:15:48

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Wide front end and weights on the back.

Allan

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Jeff Oliver

05-04-2006 07:08:50

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to dej(JED), 05-04-2006 06:59:37

Yep, at least one set and two if you have them

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Harley

05-04-2006 15:00:00

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Re: M spinning on plowed sod. in reply to Jeff Oliver, 05-04-2006 07:08:50

Calcium will help with weight, but that stuff will EAT rims if you get a pin hole in the tube. I got 4 weights on each side of this loader M, two hanging on the rear drawbar, squaretop fenders at about 80 lbs apiece, and it will lift anything the loader will lift and stay on the ground. Ya just can't beat steel I don't think. Harley

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