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Thoughts On Old Iron

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Allan In NE

07-16-2006 08:08:35




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Hi Guys,

Left the house at 5 am this morning. Had to move a grain auger some 25 miles down the hiway and wanted to beat the traffic. It was 84 degrees when I left the yard and it's gonna be another hot one today.

Anyway, after I got done with the auger move it was light enough that I could see what I was doin', so I crawled up inside that old combine, finished tightening up the walkers and spun 'er up for a good trial run look-see.

The two worst bearings to get to on a letter series Gleaner are those darned lower raddle chain idlers and wouldn't ya know it, I need a couple. No big beans; I've done that nasty job before.

But, I kept hearing this "moaning" noise when the machine is up to speed. Never owned an "old" combine before and this is a totally foreign sound to me. :>)

Yep, come to find out, the old gal is gonna need cylinder bearings before next year, but I think I can get by with the old ones for this little patch of oats. Only have 40 acres to do.

But, it just got me to thinking. Wonder if some guys don't just take one look at all that spinning, moving, shaking machinery and say the heck with it. It really is kinda overwhelming and it's just easier to trade the silly thing off rather than spend a day or two fixin' what needs to be fixed?

I'm rambling. Think my brain is freezin' up and I'd better get back out in the sun. :>)

Later,

Allan

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big jt

07-16-2006 11:11:31




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Allan In NE, 07-16-2006 08:08:35  
Allan

I have done those idlers on the upper raddle in season my self. As you well know doable but there had to be a better design.

As to finding problems I have found a Mechnics Stethescope to be invaluable. Alot cheaper than paying to have it done and I think I do a better job. Of course on a Gleaner you can get at almost all of the bearings when things are spinning.

Trading to solve problems with a combine has been a mutually exclusive venture on our Ranch LOL. Of course I think the only new combine we ever owned was a Case A6.

Got to the program of cleaning the machine (WITH AIR and by taking things apart) at the end of the season and doing the pre harvest fixes then. Lets me take the time needed and gets me to the field quicker next year. Also removes food for the varmits over the year.

BE CAREFUL OF THE HEAT. Would bet Mrs Allen would sell your tractors and buy more Horses if something happened to you!!

jt

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MN Scott

07-16-2006 11:35:34




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to big jt, 07-16-2006 11:11:31  
I bought me one of those infared therometers with the laser pointers. Works great in finding a bearing thats starting to go bad. You just run the machine for a few acres then shut it down and go around and take the bearings tempatures. If you do it at least once a day you will notice when a bearing starts to run a temp and you know it will need to be replaced shortlly. Also works great to finding a missing or dead cylinder on an engine, just take the temp of the manifold near the exhust ports.

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Matt from CT

07-16-2006 15:46:43




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to MN Scott, 07-16-2006 11:35:34  
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And for those of you with the money...

Fluke makes color Thermal Imagers which can visually show color difference in parts.

Pretty fascinating things...probably cost around $3k is my guess. I doubt it would take long in a busy shop or maintenance department to pay for itself by helping speed up diagnosing problems and improving preventive maintenance.

Fire company has a couple black & white ones which are helpful -- tracing a "smell of something burning" pretty quickly to an overheated electric circuit is one that dramatically stands out in my mind.

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big jt

07-16-2006 16:45:51




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Matt from CT, 07-16-2006 15:46:43  
Cool (or hot rather)

Now I know what to put on the top of my Christmas wish list!!!!!

jt



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Rauville

07-16-2006 10:08:07




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Allan In NE, 07-16-2006 08:08:35  
There's a young man in this area that has a business doing electronic "audio tests" to combine and other farm equipment bearings. Tests each bearing while the machine is running and then hands you a printout of the entire procedure. I believe the cost is around $150 for a modern combine.
I guess if you don't have a trained ear, such as yours, it's maybe worth it, before you hit the field.
Good luck out there, and keep cool!

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migraine

07-16-2006 08:39:14




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Allan In NE, 07-16-2006 08:08:35  
Allan, you are in a very small minority of people who even have the interest and knowledge to work on and check these old machines over before just taking it to the field. Most just run it till it breaks and then trade it off. My memories of oats combining in Iowa include itching and grasshoppers using the AC 60 and 66 combines . My brother in law hopes to use his F this week to harvest the organic Tretacalli sp. Looks really good and should be lots of nice straw. Weather supposed to be in the 70's with 50 percent humidity. Don't envy you with the heat there. Get the old straw hat out and a jug of ice water on the platform. Migraine

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RickL

07-16-2006 08:27:30




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Allan In NE, 07-16-2006 08:08:35  
Even brand new stuff has its troubles,anything mechanical does,and when yue really want to think about it its really a wonder that they run as long as they do in some cases and under some operators. Brand new green unit first season in the field burned completely up. I loaned seed tenders out in my seeed business till couple seasons ago simply because of all damage some operators can do so quickly. One was new unit first day in field came back with auger completely ripped off unit. He called and wanted another unit cause he said it fell off pulling into field. when it fell off it also ripped the tank open also. telephone pole showed the real truth at the other end of field. Little while back you said you were bored need something to do well now you do if you want sounds like. Combining again tomorrow

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Allan In NE

07-16-2006 08:33:46




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to RickL, 07-16-2006 08:27:30  
Yep, Think You're Right.

Some guys just don't care that gear A turns cog B which in turn drives belt C.

Wife tells me to fix the air conditioning first. Heck, that's the last thing that's gonna get the wrenches. Grain must get to the tank first. :>)

Allan



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RickL

07-16-2006 09:28:28




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to Allan In NE, 07-16-2006 08:33:46  
I agree with the wife,cause you can't take those cabs doing harvest in the heat that you are around. i have seen it get several guys in trouble,me included,things just go blank prettyy quick,if you get that clamy feeling its aready to late,and once it does happen to you will never be able to take the heat like before have found out and so have the others that i refered to that got in heat trouble also. WATWER WATER WATER It got the mother in law yesterday,she just could'nt figure it out she had her mornign coffee. watching parade drop like rock. FIX THE AIR,usually its just recharge it most of time anyway

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Ken Macfarlane

07-17-2006 06:11:35




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 Re: Thoughts On Old Iron in reply to RickL, 07-16-2006 09:28:28  
Hey Allan is is dry enough there that an arizona mister would keep you cool? The desert 4x4 guys I keep up online with have a little pump and fog nozzle pointed at them continuously when out in the real heat. The evaporation before it hits you and after from the fan also pointed at you keeps ya cool.



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