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Ford C700 cabover engine?

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OliverGuy

08-21-2006 12:17:42




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Not sure if this is the right forum, but I was looking at a '66 Ford C700 tandem cabover to haul some grain a short distance and was wondering what engine is in it. I don't know that much about Ford engines back then, but the door tag says 164hp and the GVW is 24,000#. It looks like a small block to me. Anybody know what engine this is and if it is a good engine? I know it's not much motor to move 500+ bushel, but with the extra tip tops and 18', apparently someone has set it up to haul a lot. It's got two great big 3 stage cylinders and a handy lift control lever at the back of the truck. If it would run a few seasons it may be worth the $2000. Thanks for your help.

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chief 83

08-22-2006 19:50:28




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
I have a '66 Ford cabover. Mine has a 391 V8. Slow as slow can be but a great hay truck. With 33,000 miles it has a lot of life left in it. In a previous life it was a fire department water tender (1000) gallons.



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George S. in the real NY

08-22-2006 17:30:21




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? More info in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
Back again, found the Ford book that I have that decodes the ID tag. Here goes: The sn should look like C75XYA12345. The letter in the X position is the as manufactured engine code. A is slouchy six. B is 330 ci 2bbl 164 hp. Looks like a match for what you got. There are lots of other bigger engines listed. It'll work as long as you are not in hilly country or are in a big hurry. BTW the C75 might be C70, does'nt change things much. The letter in the Y location is the factory where it was built. The A is part of the serial number beginning in 66, I think, I did not bring the book to work where I am doing this. This was because the six digit format had gone to or approached all 9's, so the A was used with 5 digits for the consecutive unit number. This should cover about all. For everyone's info, the 292ci engine ended life at the end of the 64 truck year. HTH George S.

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JOHN HARMON

08-21-2006 21:50:27




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
An old "Motors Truck Repair Manual" which I have gives for the 1956-1958 C-700 an 8-Cyl. 272 C.I. as original equip. engine. For a 1959-1960 C-700 a 8-Cyl. 292 C.I. is given as original equip. engine. For a 1966 probably a stepped up version of these Engine series would be used but alas I am not knowledgeable of the 1966 original equip. engine. 8 Cyl engines used in the C Series for this time period for different Models were the 239-272-279-292-302-317-332-401-477 and a whopping big 534.All Ford built engines.The C series Trucks were the C-500-550-600-700-750-800-850-900-950-1000-1100. I think the 550-750-850-950 and 1100 were Tandem Drive Models. This may be wrong but the manual intimates this to be true.

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RodInNS

08-21-2006 20:23:34




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
If it's a single with a trailing axle, then it's certainly not going to be a performer off road. Stuck and troubled is the phrase..... An air lift wouldn't be so bad. If you got in a jam, you could lift the lift axle, and transfer enough weight to move.
The engine wouldn't be such a concern to me as the gearing. For moving some heavy loads, you would want something like a 5 with ruxel or a 5x2 or 5x4. Something with lots of gears, and a good low gear.
Good brakes is the other factor.
The GVW on the door might not be such a big factor. If it's got the axles, with brakes, you should be OK. I would not be concerned having a gvw of 40000# if the trailing axle has brakes.
In an old bomb like that, particulairly one that's been built up locally, the trailing axle could have been added, who knows what engine thrown in, and lord knows what drive line. Those old gas engines were not exactly known for long life spans.
Honestly, in my opinion, an old truck like that is worth whatever you think the box and scopes are worth. The truck and it's wetline are a dime a dozen. Around here you can't even sell them for scrap, other than the melting pot. There's plenty of good late model diesel trucks around for not much more money.... especially if you've got to keep it legal.....
But, if the box and hoist are good, then it's probably worth the $2000. You can always throw that body on a better truck down the road. Good luck.

Rod

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George S. in the real NY

08-21-2006 20:07:08




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
The ID # has a letter code which tells which engine it was built with. Don't recall format or the letters at the moment. A dealer with shop manual will decode it. I got a list from back in those days somewhere. Email is out of service for awhile other wise, I could check it. It will be an FE type, low budget was the 330 ci, don't recall what else was available, maybe 352 and 361. HTH, George S.

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willie j

08-21-2006 18:27:56




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
Oliver Guy
I know some guys won't agree with me, but here goes anyway.
A C-600 carries a GVW of 25999, or 1# under the 26000 cut-off for a class B lic, so a C-700 should have a GVW around 30,000.
With an 18 ft box & 3 stage hoist, the empty wgt will come in around 12000. So if the 24000 GVW is true, payload will be around 12000. Corn runs around 56#/bushel, so 12000 would be about 215 bushel, or 267 cubic feet. 8 ft wide by 18 ft long leaves 1.8 ft deep. 500 bushel corn at 56 per makes 28000, plus about 12000 empty puts you at 40000, way over the 24000 rating. Of course, if that stated 24000 GVW rating is in error, disreguard most of what I said.
Willie J

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OliverGuy

08-21-2006 15:49:32




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
It is a single axle with a cheater. I was also wondering if this truck was a little light to be handling 500+ bushel. Thanks for all the help. I swear that it looks like a smaller engine. I've seen a huge 534(?) ci engine in a C900 fire truck and this one looks nothing like it. I wish it had a bigger one and was built a little heavier. I'm also not sure how well it works in the field with a dead axle.

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massey333

08-21-2006 16:37:12




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 15:49:32  
It will haul 500 fine,SOME people haul that much with a single axle(600-800-C60-C65-C70).It depends on Your wheelbase and where The Cheater is(Ahead or Behind the Main Axle and IF it is a Air Lift or Is on the ground all the time on your off road Perforance is.Behind the main is more helpless then in front.



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RodInNS

08-21-2006 15:02:37




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
I have no idea what engine it would have. I do know that we have an old fire truck in the station right now, which I think is a C700 or so, cabover. It's got a big old 477 under there. It's probably got more whoop than 164 hp though, but not a lot more. That truck is a '76. Again, I dunno what the '66 would have. Might well be the "FE" series big block. I doubt very much that it would be a small block.

Rod

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massey333

08-21-2006 14:47:25




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
You didn"t say,but it must be a Single Axle with a Cheater or someone has put a Tandem under it because 24,000GVW wouldn"t be Tandem.The Engine Problely is a 330 because of that HP but could be a 361 or 391.Check that axle deal out first.That is also a light framed truck for that low of a GVW.



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JDknut

08-21-2006 13:16:11




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
The 330 is a good engine. It was sold by FOrd as an industrial engine as well as a truck engine. We had one in a drill rig for many years and it did just fine.



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Doug in IL

08-21-2006 13:12:35




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
It's most likely a 330 Cu. In. They are part of the FE engine family. FE family includes the 352,360, 390. Also the 330, 361 and 391 truck engines. I think the truck engines may actual be called the FT family. Also other engines like the old 332, 427 & 428 are a part of this general group. I had a 330 in a N700 dump truck some years ago. It was 164 horsepower, as I recall.



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Greg_Ky

08-21-2006 12:20:42




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 Re: Ford C700 cabover engine? in reply to OliverGuy, 08-21-2006 12:17:42  
My guess would be a 361cu.in.



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