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O/T '90 Jeep charging system

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MeAnthony

11-01-2006 12:01:43




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The patient: 1990 Jeep Cherokee 6 cyl. 4x4 auto
The symptom(s): Does not charge adequately with accessories running.

I've tried changing the alternator with a known good one. It works the same way with both of them: charges fine with nothing on. Start firing up lights, heater fan, etc. and the gauge gradually drops.

The owner 'thinks' the battery is pretty new. Haven't thrown a load tester on it yet.

I'm wondering if it's a ground wire problem?

Any suggestions are welcomed; I appreciate your assistance.

Thanks,
Anthony

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souNdguy

11-01-2006 17:39:13




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
I'm going to make some assumptions here.

1, you don't have more laod than alternator capacity.

2, battery is good

3, truck has a analog volt meter gauge that is operational when ignition is on.

What I would do is make a jumper wire of 10ga and jump from alternator charge stud to battery post. Then look at your volt meter.. if it increases when you hook up this wire, then you have an insuficience int he charge wire.. or a bad connection.

Also wouldn't hurt to know what the volt reading is at the back of the al, vs the battery.. if there is a big discrepency, then I'd deffinately look at the charging system wire harness.

Soundguy

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Hobo,NC

11-01-2006 17:26:27




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
Loose belt maybe, and the gauge may not be accurate enough remember low bidder got the contract, install a good DVOM and recheck at the bat stud at alt and at the bat to verify gauge read’ins. .



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Buzzman72

11-01-2006 13:35:37




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
1. Make sure the battery and the cables are good first.

2. Check how many volts the alternator is putting out.

3. Full-field the alternator and see how many amps it's capable of putting out.

4. Then check the amperage draw of the accessories, one at a time.

Somewhere in the above, you'll find your answer.



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MeAnthony

11-01-2006 13:41:25




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to Buzzman72, 11-01-2006 13:35:37  
Can you explain what you mean by 'full field the alternator'?

Can I take amp-draw reading at the accessories' fuses in the panel under the dash, or will that not be accurate?

Appreciate it,
Anthony



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Buzzman72

11-01-2006 14:01:23




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 13:41:25  
To "full-field the alternator" is to, effectively, bypass the regulator, so that the alternator is operating at maximum output. The procedure varies with the make, but should be explained in a good service manual.

You can test the amperage draw at the fuse panel, but if you're using a standard volt-ohm meter, they usually have an internal 10-amp fuse. So if your headlights are drawing 25 amps, your meter MIGHT register it just before the fuse blows, or it might not. You really need something like a VAT-40 [or whatever Snap-On calls their digital equivalent] to properly test the system.

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Buzzman72

11-01-2006 14:08:54




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 Another Option... in reply to Buzzman72, 11-01-2006 14:01:23  
...would be to take the alternator to AutoZone and have them test it for voltage and amperage output. They advertise that they test them for free...off the vehicle...and it only takes a couple of minutes, if the guy is really slow.

Once you determine whether the alternator is the problem, then--if you also bring the battery with you-- they can test it as well, and see if the battery is the problem.

If the battery tests OK, and the alternator tests OK, then you know the problem is elsewhere...and you can start checking current draws.

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MeAnthony

11-01-2006 13:23:39




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
As an example, with only headlights and heater on, the gauge drops below 10v in less than 15 minutes. This is with, I believe, a 60 amp alternator. I can double-check that rating, though. I understand that running the accessories will change the gauge reading, but shouldn't it drop and hold, rather than simply steadily declining?

I'm not trying to be agrumentative; I just want to make sure I've got it fixed right.

Thanks again,
Anthony

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IH2444

11-01-2006 13:21:02




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
Maybe a cable, but I would think the battery, if the alternator is ok.



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Gerald J.

11-01-2006 13:06:08




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 Re: O/T '90 Jeep charging system in reply to MeAnthony, 11-01-2006 12:01:43  
Its working fine. The alternator can only supply a certain maximum current and what you us to run lights and stereo are subtracted from that leaving a lower current available for battery charging. And while the battery is charging its current should decrease with time until it gets to zero when the battery is fully charged. With lots of lights it takes longer because the battery current is smaller. And the ammeter reads only the battery current, not the total current from the alternator. If you put on so many lights and stereo that their current is more than the alternator can supply the battery will go dead because its not getting charged at all. In that case you turn off some of the lights or put on an alternator with a greater current rating.

Gerald J.

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