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11-11-2006 17:30:19




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Here are pics of a proven 30,000 hour tractor with 4 overhauls. Purchase date was March 16. 1989 Placed on job on April 4, 1989. Sorry for the bad quality of hour meter pic it reads 38,816 hours. This tractor is on 24 hour operation.

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NO tools

11-12-2006 07:29:45




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
Boys honestly these are not your ordinary tractors.But at the same token it take a lot of seat time and lots of oil- coolant-fuel-light bulbs and repairs to keep these machines running.
ON a 24 hour job i will have to say average 2300 hours per year is good through the rain snow and the tempatures they reach on the hot summer days.
NO they may not run 24 ever day but they can go from idle to full throttle in just drop of a hat and it may stay there for up to 5 weeks.
THE only thing they get in that period is what it takes to make the tracks turn.
no it don't go to the shop tomorrow if it's raining.

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Stickler

11-11-2006 21:24:58




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
I drove a bucket truck for a while in line construction in the far north. It was less than a year old, and had 55,000 hours on it, but only 9,000 miles. Ran all winter and spent most of it's life working sitting in one place, only being moved a couple hundred yards an hour. 6V53 Detroit with a 13 direct, and it was way overdue for an overhaul. Darned thing was geared so deep it topped out at about 40mph!

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RAB

11-11-2006 22:56:57




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to Stickler, 11-11-2006 21:24:58  
135 Fan says you are reading the meter wrong. Too damn true!!!

You wrote:I drove a bucket truck for a while in line construction in the far north. It was less than a year old, and had 55,000 hours on it, but only 9,000 miles

THERE ARE ONLY 8766 HOURS IN AN AVERAGE YEAR!!!

That means it is difficult to exceed 8000 hours working time, with servicing, fueling, etc.
8000h on the clock will be at rated engine speed, presumably, so unless it is at full chat all the time..... ....

We used to get 27 hours or so recorded on a Ford 5000 (back in the 70s) in a day - max rpm was set for off the clock and it was ploughing a big field, round and round - but we could not keep that up for long!
RAB

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135 Fan

11-12-2006 01:23:00




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to RAB, 11-11-2006 22:56:57  
What's an "average year"? The only exception is a leap year which adds 24 hours. How do you account for the extra 6 hours? Just curious if my calculator is wrong. Dave



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RAB

11-12-2006 04:42:19




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to 135 Fan, 11-12-2006 01:23:00  
Dave,
Neither a leap year nor one of the other 3 in between. Just the average! Just add 4 consecutive ones and take the mean. That extra day every 4th year amounts to an extra 6h onto 365 days on average. Simple. I knew that if I quoted 8000h in a year somebody, somewhere around the world, would point out I was wrong (well, not accurate), so I replied as carefully as possible.
I always try to avoid putting things "in stone" unless there is a pretty fair chance I will not have to change it. My lady says I am a "pedantic so-and-so" but that"s what comes of being in scientific and teaching environments, I suppose.
Sometimes I look back at a post and think "did I write that?!!?" or "that could be ambiguous"
For someone who thinks he is always right and the "other 9 billion are wrong", I am not going to admit that I drop a clanger now and then am I? Well not too often!
Cheers, and best regards, RAB

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135 Fan

11-11-2006 21:40:32




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to Stickler, 11-11-2006 21:24:58  
I think you're reading the hour meter wrong. They can't be trusted at the best of times. I know a guy that had 6 P&H H418 hoes that used 6v-53 engines. They only lasted about 3000 hours before a major rebuild. A truck application would last longer but not anywhere near 55,000 hours. Less than a year old? There is only 8,760 hours in an entire year. It would take over 6 years never being shut off to get 55,000 hours. Do the math? Dave

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e

11-11-2006 20:50:11




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
Another typically "high hour" machine is a forklift. At a printing factory I worked at, forklifts would be traded in at around 25,000 hours. I've seen trucks with 75,000 hours on them at a foundary where they run 24 hours a day and only shut them off for repair and to switch tanks. I personally didn't believe it until I did the math.



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Lumpy

11-11-2006 19:45:20




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
My brother in-law has a 1974 IH 1466 with 16,477 hours on it. I was chisel plowing with it last week, thats how I know how many hours are on it. The engine has never been opened up. It has had 3 clutches, 2 TA's, 1 pto shaft, and a bull gear as the only major work to be done on it.



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Catfish Stew

11-11-2006 19:19:38




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
Looks like you might work at a coal fired power plant. It;ll probably eat coal as fast as those big cats can push it in! Thanks for the pictures!



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NO tools

11-11-2006 19:24:37




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to Catfish Stew, 11-11-2006 19:19:38  
It takes 1000 ton per hour if all units are full generation.



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railhead

11-11-2006 17:49:29




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
That looks like one bad motherf'er. I would like to hear it pushing a blade full.



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11-11-2006 17:47:45




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
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D8T Cat Purchase date 11/15/2005.These tractors On job 24 hour operation. 849 hours.
The 3rd tractor i messed the picture.
These MACHINES operate rain snow or sunshine it makes no difference in the type of work they are doing THE D8L Purchase 6/19/1984 has had two hour meters we show on the log book 42.000 hours.4 new engines.
THESE tractors have been painted 3 time each except the 11/15/05.
the only thing original on these machine is the sales invoice.
I don't think there is many farm tractors to compete?

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railhead

11-11-2006 17:45:43




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
I believe it. I have ran an old D6 8U from the fifties many many hours pushing terraces. The owner of this tractor knows its history. It has NEVER BEEN overhauled (engine). It has had many many repairs on the tranny, steering clutches, brakes, tracks, tighteners (rigged beyond belief), new sprockets, etc. It It NEEDS an engine overhaul now but it still pushes a lot of dirt and will make $700-800 a day.

When the guys ask "what is the best tractor ever built?" my heart might tell me my favorite tractor (IH) but I KNOW BEYOND a DOUBT, CATERPILLAR is the only correct answer.

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Jimmy King

11-11-2006 20:15:50




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to railhead, 11-11-2006 17:45:43  
My Dad had an old D6 8U for several years, gave $4750 for it and sold it about 15 years later for $5000 rebuilt the under carrage once had to do some work in the rear end a couple of times, I beleive he had to overhaul the pony once.



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135 Fan

11-11-2006 18:09:48




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to railhead, 11-11-2006 17:45:43  
All the big equipment will go a long time because it is designed from the outset to be able to be rebuilt. A Cat with 4 engines in 42,000 hours is comparable to a farm tractor. Actually that is low hours for a big cat engine between rebuilds. Dave



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Hugh MacKay

11-11-2006 19:49:38




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to 135 Fan, 11-11-2006 18:09:48  
So are most farm tractors, 75% of them had sleeved engines just the same as the Cat. I put 6 sets of pistons and sleeves in a Farmall. IH and Deere used the same engines in farm tractors as they did in construction equipment. If some of these farmers had used their tractors more, they would be getting 15,000 to 20,000 hours between rebuilds as well.



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135 Fan

11-11-2006 21:29:34




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-11-2006 19:49:38  
The engines are the same but Cats cost a lot more than Farm tractors and typically have longer life spans to offset the initial cost. You don't see too many exchange components for tractors. When a tractor is worn out it is usually not cost effective to rebuild it. I saw some used D 11 and D10 Cats for sale that had well over 45,000 hours and were still productive machines. They were used in the oil sands and were sold after they couldn't be depreciated any more. They had already paid for themselfs. The company sold them and bought new ones. You don't see any tractors rebuilt at over 30,000 hours. Dave

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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2006 04:09:42




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to 135 Fan, 11-11-2006 21:29:34  
Dave: You maybe don't see farm tractors being rebuilt to that extend, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. The biggest reason it isn't done is the low rate of hours per year. Some of these guys would be 3 generations putting 45,000 hours on a tractor. These low hour tractors have suffered more deterioration from condensation than any other factor. Another factor the rendered many tractors of the 50s, 60s and 70s obsolete was gas engines. The next big farm blunder was buying conventional 2 wheel drive or conventional tractor with front wheel drive, over 100 hp. Articulated tractors are very much more efficient pulling machines. I saw this very quickly in the 1970s. I had a Farmall 300 gasser, yet in my 560D and 656D each, I was getting 1/3 more hp for 1/3 of the fuel. I also had a Farmall 1066, 2 wheel drive with duals, cranking 150+ hp plus from the factory, yet my Deere 540A forestry skidder, 110+ hp max would pull the same plow, disk, chisel plow and cultivator, a lot more efficiently. I told my dad in 1955, he should have been buying that Oliver 77 diesel down the street rather than the 300 gasser. Then I went out and did much the same kind of blunder 20 years later buying that damn 1066.


I've owned and operated IH, Cummins, John Deere, Perkins and Cat diesels. At one time, I agree Cat was at the top of the pack but not anymore. Today Deere, Cummins and Volvo are right in there. Most farmers tend to find a reason making it non economical to rebuild tractors. I once had a farm apraiser tell me my 5 main tractors were all junk as they all had over 10,000 hours at about an average age of 10 years. An IH technician working on my 656 at the time overheard the comment, said, " That very well may be so, but it's the bast maintained bunch of junk up and down this valley".

Now, I will agree, farmers are going to find it difficult to find 24-7 uses for tractors. Forestry operators are finding night operation, not quite as feasable as they once anticipated. I know a guy that jumped out of a big Deere skidder, spent the night down a 2' wide ravine between granite rocks with two broken legs and a machine above him leaking hydraulic oil and idling. Needless to say by morning he needed two casts and the Deere needed a new hydraulic pump. The flotation tires had rolled right over that hole and he never noticed until he got out to check his hydraulic oil leak. One night this week I drove home on the 4 lane, there must have been 10 miles of construction equipment on the other side. I understand it was there every night this week, we can only assume it was parked every day all day. Those plants like power generation have quite a controlled enviornment, yes 24-7 can be feasable. That is not quite the same as farming, forestry and out in the field construction situations, been there and done that. I'll give the edge to farming at night, but then that is also controlled by climate. I've tried working forestry and land clearing equipment at night, doesn't work. I find you can very successfully do two 10 hour shifts, thus each operator has 75% of his shift in daylight. That one works much better than trying to run round the clock.

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11-11-2006 17:31:30




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:30:19  
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burnetma

11-13-2006 19:28:05




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:31:30  
OK curiosity is getting to me. Which plant are you at? I"ve worked power plants from Lake Erie to South Carolina. Just wonder if I have been to your plant...



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135 Fan

11-11-2006 18:02:42




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 Re: 30,000 +hrs pics in reply to NO tools, 11-11-2006 17:31:30  
As soon as I saw the Cat hour meter I knew it was something big. I saw an EX 1100 Hitachi hoe at an auction that was not even 4 years old and had just over 9,000 hours. Skidders rack up a lot of hours as well. A farm with one tractor for everything can put a lot of hours on it. However I don't think any engine other than a low speed generator type application would go anywhere near 30,000 hours without any major engine work. At best maybe 18 to 20,000 but it would be pretty weak by then. There was an older Cat engine that is used on oil rigs that was getting rebuilt for $100,000 after giving 50,000 hours of service. I think they said it ran at 1200 or even 800 RPM's. A work tractor revs at approx. twice that and is often abused as well. If you go too long before an overhaul, it can cause unknown damage and be a lot more to repair. Dave

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