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Maark

11-18-2006 10:51:11




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Is anyone using the new tankless waterheaters? Pros or con on them. Thanks...




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Dan-IA

11-18-2006 16:42:15




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to Maark, 11-18-2006 10:51:11  
I've been told that if you use a lot of water, it's best to use several units at different locations. One whole-house unit won't keep up well with a shower, dishwasher, and washing machine at the same time. Least, that's what I've been told.

I've been planning on getting one. My house still has an 80-gal propane water heater in it, and for my purposes it's way too much. With my low-flow showerhead, I doubt I use 5 gallons of water to shower. Only thing that takes a lot of hot water is the washing machine, and that only happens once every couple weeks.

For the sake of simplicity, I was planning on one of those electric showerheads (about $80 on fleabay) and reserving the propane for when I'm planning to do laundry. That way I'd only heat a tank of water once in a while.

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oldfarmtractor

11-18-2006 12:41:54




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to Maark, 11-18-2006 10:51:11  
They are the best thing for home since the introduction of the indoor toilet. If they are sized correctly for the family, they work like a million bucks. I have used one at my weekend place for 7 years and would never install the old fashion tank.

They are expensive to purchase but super easy to install provided you have an adequate gas supply. I vented mine right through the brick wall.

Every part is replaceable but that isn't a problem since the life expectancy is about forever.

Many people in the U.S. don't like them since it is not what we are used to. But they take up so little space, my gas bill has been reduced and I never, never run out of hot water. The temperature remains constant if you have the variable fire unit.

The only thing that comes close to being this nice is the constant pressure well pump.

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jdemaris

11-18-2006 18:54:37




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to oldfarmtractor, 11-18-2006 12:41:54  
I've got no argument with some of the advantages of the tankless in certain applications. But - with some of what you've stated - I've experienced different. I've seen several fail - they don't run forever. My neighbor had a Aquastar that had a flow-valve fail the first year. Two years later, it happened again. They are, of course, repairable, - but parts are often NOT in stock at the local plumbing supply - as they are for conventional heaters. Waiting even a few days for parts - if it's the only source for hot water - is a long time. You also mentioned ease of installation. I've installed several, electric and gas - and for "point of use" they are far from easy to install. Even the smallest electric units require 220 VAC 50 amp circuits. And the gas - usually a minimum of a 5/8" LP line or a 3/4 NG line along with venting - often power venting. That can be difficult for an interior room. If a tankless is used as a stand-alone unit - then right away, it's "point-of-use" advantage is lost - and much heat is lost in long runs of pipe. And, in the ability to heat water - it's all based on temperature rise. If you live somewhere that has very cold incoming water - like well water - it's capacity to produce hot water can be cut in half of it's advertised GPM ratings. But again - for some applications they work great. But, in many others, they do not - and are often more costly in the end. I've know several people that had them, removed them, and went back to tank heaters and are glad they did. I don't agree that they are, as you say, the "best thing for home since the introduction of the indoor toliet." They've been used in Europe for many years, and now are being marketed as a great new technology to U.S. consumers.

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jdemaris

11-18-2006 11:08:38




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to Maark, 11-18-2006 10:51:11  
To me, they are waste of money unless you have a target area that is a long distance from the usual hotwater source and is rarely used. A conventional tank heater does not consume much energy keeping water warm when not in use - IF well insulated. And, a conventional tank heater tends to be MUCH cheaper to buy, and MUCH easier to install. That being said - if you have - let's say - an extra bathroom that is 70-100 feet from the main hot-water source, and it is barely used - then - using the main tank heater is wasteful - since much of the hot water gets cooled before it gets there. And - one other down-size to most tankless heaters. They do not sense the temp. of incoming water. Even with hot water fed to them, they still turn on. So, of you have any sort of preheater, like many people have with wood-stoves, you need a special type of tankless - often marketed for solar-water systems. It costs a lot more then the normal, overpriced tankless heater.

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Wardner

11-18-2006 11:04:47




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to Maark, 11-18-2006 10:51:11  
They are not exactly new. I was using a gas fired unit for nearly 30 years. Paloma was the brand. They come in different capacities. The smaller ones will restrict your shower flow. The bigger units will be uncomfortable if others in your house are drawing water (hot or cold) while you are in the shower. They are perfectly adequate for bachelors like myself.



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504-1

11-18-2006 21:16:08




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 Re: O/T-waterheater in reply to Wardner, 11-18-2006 11:04:47  
I have an Aquastar it will be 4yr old in March with no trouble. But it has a varibale water valve which means that you can take a shower,wash dishes,or do a load of wash just not at the same time,the water will always be hot but the flow turns into a drip.The newer and bigger heaters have a varible flame. I think my pay back will be 4yr.



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