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Quebec Bob

12-01-2006 10:16:51




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I am looking at buying a wheeled backhoe. I have only used a bulldozer with a backhoe on it. Can anyone tell me whether a 2 wheel drive backhoe has enough traction to use in the fields and woods? Is it greatly improved by 4 wheel drive or just a bit better. I know that wheeled backhoes have trouble on greasy ground. I am just wondering if they make no sense to go into the field with. Thanks




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RLH

12-02-2006 05:29:44




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
IM a union operator and have rum many different ones stay away from chain swing, the big 2 wd such as 680 case just to heavy I like 310 jd 580 case series c and newer 4wd is great but expensive



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Brian in MO

12-01-2006 18:18:33




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
Bob I am a union operator that also farms I have ran a lot of backhoes and have used them on the farm also they are a whole different machine than any farm tractor usually about 100 hp and 18,000 pounds but the loader is alot heavier built than any farm tractor once you have one you'll never want to be without it also the 4 wheel drive is a must on a farm also most mfgs offered oversized tires which is very nice in mud this is just my 2 cents. I realize you are talking about a used machine but the more options they have on them the more they are worth and oversize tires, enclosed cab, 4wheel drive, and extend a hoe would all be at the top of my list and not to start a color war but the John Deere (and I am a IH man) is by far the most stable on uneven ground (its wider and heavier than most others) Brian

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oldcraneguy

12-01-2006 16:03:39




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
Backhoes arent the best handling tractor youll ever drive but they can almost always get out of anything they get into and 4 wheel drive makes a huge difference in what you can push when your useing the front bucket and they dont seem near as light on the front with 4WD...combinations are seldom the best machine for a given job...BUT there are so many jobs that they WILL do in a pinch that I think they are the best choice when you have loader and backhoe and dozer work to do and can only afford one machine....just my 2 cents

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farmer101

12-01-2006 13:48:45




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
just got done plowing my drive and a neighbors drive with my case 580D. Bought the case 7 years ago. First time i used it in snow. Really impressed with it. Paid 10 grand for it . Best money i ever spent. If somebody stole it i'm sure i'd cry. Every thing that jdemaris said is true slid down many hill aint worth a damn in slick conditions.But you can always get yourself unstuck with the hoe. New rear tires would be nice,but i think most people just run them till they fall off the rim.

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jdemaris

12-01-2006 12:20:59




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
Maybe my experiences differ a little than some other posters. I've got three backhoes and they do not get the traction that my ag. tractors get - but I can usually work around it. For example, backing up a hill is usually impossible on grass or wet dirt - unless I extend the hoe way out. That changes the center of gravity. Also, if the ground is soft - there are many times I can drive a farm tractor through, but the hoe will sink deeper and the wheels will spin. I have always gotten out - usually just push myself out with the hoe-boom. And - coming down hills across grass? Sometimes it's a little dangerous - especially with a large heavy hoe. Two wheels are often not enough traction to stop all that mass. I have, MANY times, skidded all they way down a farm field with no way of stopping unless I dropped the front bucket into the ground - which makes a mess. I usually just do not plan on stopping, put it in low gear and take it slow - and if it starts to skid - rev it up a little. And, most 4WD hoes still only have brakes on two wheels. And then there's the side hills. Many of my farm roads are tilted one way or the other, sideways. So, you've got to keep that in mind, and sometimes shift the rear-hoe to one side or the other to counter balance. I'm not trying to paint a negative picture here - but I find running a wheeled backhoe up and down farm fields nothing like running a farm tractor or a crawler. My biggest hoe, the Pettibone Mulithoe - weighs 17,000 lbs. and is the most dangerous to stop, and probably the worst for uphill traction. My Case 580CK hoe is quite a bit better. My smallest hoe, a Ford 4000 Industrial with 723/724 hoe/loader is by far the safest and gets the best traction. It only weighs 7300 lbs. It WILL go places a farm tractor won't, but will still skid down a steep farm field when damp. I've also got a Deere crawler with a hoe on it, and traction is rarely a problem. But, if I drive it across a hay field, wet or dry, it makes a stinkn' mess out of the grass.

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ihfan

12-01-2006 12:13:40




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
I watched an OPERATOR load a 580case in a dump truck on flat ground! Front bucket in the truck raised the back on hoe,left with bucket over cab hoe on the tailgate. Legal? Nope crazy!



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paul

12-01-2006 18:56:55




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to ihfan, 12-01-2006 12:13:40  
There is a series of pictures 'somewhere' on the internet showing a fellow loading a backhoe into a railroad car that way. Was pretty impressive looking, must be a heck of a ride. Sorry I don't have a link any more.

--->Paul



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IaGary

12-01-2006 11:47:56




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
Bob

I have a 580b 2wd case.Around 60 HP.

Was pushing logs the other day with the IH 1086 145HP and loader. Could not move them. Put the 580 against the logs and they moved.

Anywhere you can go with a 2wd tracor you can go with a 2wd backhoe. Unless there is no bottom to the ground.

Gary



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Kent in KC

12-01-2006 11:12:53




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
I've been using an old Case 580k for several months. My place is hilly clay. I dug a pond and several trenches then graded out a driveway. I never got it stuck. Mine has an axle lock that locks both rear wheels as though it had a solid axle, so the power gets directed to both wheels. That makes a big difference and got me out of a few situations where I otherwise might have been stuck. Once I got the dump truck stuck in about an 18" deep hole as big as the truck. The old Hoe tugged him out like nobody's business (remember to tow from the front so you don't flip it).

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in-too-deep

12-01-2006 10:43:58




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
Don't forget, you can use that backhoe to pull you along if going gets tough. I once watched a backhoe operator put the outriggers down part way, and drag the tractor through the mud with the hoe. He didnt even use the wheels' power just pulled it on through, pretty slick operation. Something to think about anyway.



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glennster

12-01-2006 10:39:58




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-01-2006 10:16:51  
i have a minnie molie big mo 500 with a loader and backhoe. it seems to go pretty good, havent got it stuck yet. hoe puts a lot of weight on the rear wheels. i would be a little nervous in thick mud, cause if its stuck, its stuck good. i use it for fixing tile and cleaning the creek up.



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timfromct

12-07-2006 15:03:36




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 Re: Backhoe traction on farm in reply to glennster, 12-01-2006 10:39:58  
glennster, im currently considering purchasing the same tractor and i was wondering is you possibly know the weight of it so i can determine if i can haul it or if i have to hire someone. Thanks Tim



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