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Steve From Arka

12-12-2006 07:14:54




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As my parents get older, Dad is 86 and Mom is 84, I tend to recall more of the things they talked about concerning when they were growing up. Mom would talk about having to go out and kill a possum when they had nothing else to eat. Also said her mother would make black eyed pea sausage when they had no meat for breakfast. basically ground or mashed cooked peas with seasoning, a little batter and a lot of imagination. I've tried it a time or two. Sure makes you appreaciate what we have that we often take for granted.

Any other hard times stories to share?? Yeh, I know, I must have to much time on my hands today.

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Steve Crum

12-14-2006 05:34:44




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I was raised by a depression era farmer. Times were tough for him and his family, but they got thru it and stayed on the cutting edge of the tecnologies to prosper. Funny later in life Dad tended to shy away from the advancing tecnologies which tended to stymie continued growth.He would tend to spend a lot of time digging thru accumulated collections looking for a perticular size bolt rather than pull a new box off the shelf.
But then again, during the depression and war, most times there were not boxes on the shelf to pull a new bolt out of. Admittedly I have wanted for a lot over the years, but needed for nothing. I have often pondered what it will be like for people who have no marketable skills or that box of junk to dig thru to find a bolt to get running again.
I keep telling my college boy son (who has shunned learning basic sustenance from me) that half million dollars homes, $50,000 SUVs, plasma TVs and all the processed information of today's age and mentality has very little nutritional value. Fixing a guy's tractor for 10 pounds of potatos will get you there quicker.

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cj3b_jeep

12-13-2006 06:01:49




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
On my dad's side, they lived on the family's 25 acre dairy farm in Wilkinsburg, PA. They raised most of what they needed and bartered for what they did not have. Before the depression they had a milk route they ran with a horse and wagon. During the depression, when most of their customers could not pay, they ran the same route and gave most of what they produced away. It was my grandpap's way. Sometimes they got a chicken, veggies or some other commodity in return. After the depression those families never forgot the kindness and understanding my grandpap showed them.

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David Kronwall

12-13-2006 04:26:51




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
A lot of you have mentioned the Great Depression. There is a wonderful book published by Reiman Publications (Greendale, WI) titled "We Had Everything But Money." It tells story after story of people coping with that historic time--all in a positive, uplifting way. I would recommend it to anyone. The book was published in 1992, but the following information may still be true: "For additional copies of this book or information on other book, write: Country Books, P.O. Box 990, Greendale, WI 53129. Credit card orders call toll-free 1-800-558-1013."

Both of my folks were children during the Great Depression--my dad on an 80-acre farm in southeastern Wisconsin and my mom in the city of Chicago. In many ways, Dad had it easier because they raised most of what they needed to eat. My mom can remember not having all that much on the table. But both of them taught us not to waste food and to finish everything on our plates--ideas that seem to be old-fasioned today. Funny, they're not old-fashioned to me. We raised our daughter the same way. David

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Chris in MO

12-12-2006 21:42:14




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
My mother told me many stories about growing up on a hardscrabble farm outside Johnstown, PA.

When I was a kid, every so often she would prepare a meal of bread dumplings and fried cabbage. I always liked that meal. One day I asked her where she learned the recipe. She told me that her mother would cook that at the end of the week when the only thing left to eat was stale bread.

She also told me that about once a week they would have a chicken at dinner, her father, her mother, her and her 11 siblings. One chicken.

My grandfather was in WWI in the Navy. During WWII he volunteered for the Seabees. He served in the Pacific and was on Iwo Jima. He told her almost nothing about his experiences. One thing she did tell me was that on Iwo Jima, a friend of his was terribly wounded. The friend begged my grandfather to put him out of his misery. She never told me the end of the story. She did tell me that my grandfather would homebrew beer. She would say that when the corks started popping off the bottles, he would go out in the shed and be there for days, until all the beer was gone. I guess trying to forget things no one should have to experience. I don't really remember him as he died just before I turned two.

Things were tough in my mother's family. When she was sixteen in about 1952, she was told to leave home and make her way in the world. Just not enough to go around and she was close enough to being an adult. She went to Chicago and took nurses training.

My father's family didn't have quite as much trouble.

Anyway, the good old days sometimes weren't. I've had a number of difficulties in my life. I know I learned a lot from them, I learned to keep going and not quit, I can also be compassionate for those going through what I have been through. But I would never willingly go through those experiences again.

Don't mean to sound so sour. Just brought back old family memories and stories I heard.

Christopher

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730virgil

12-12-2006 19:50:35




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
grandpa mac told about farmer he worked for in 30's came to him when needed to heat the house said " pickens when you need coal for stove take all the corn you want i buy coal and corn isn't worth anything so we will burn corn this winter " .



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Aowner

12-12-2006 16:12:35




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
i can remember when my dad would go to the ctlle auction and by baby calves, he would take the back seat out of the buick and haul 3 or 4 of them in the back. Back then nobody had cattle trailers, a few people had the old chevy 60's or f 600's.



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BigMarv1085

12-12-2006 16:08:08




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
My dad was telling me that during the depression that his neighbors would kill and skin out cats to eat.



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John S-B

12-12-2006 15:41:22




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
At one time when I was a kid we lived in a house with a coal furnace. Not one of the fancy one's with a stoker either. My step dad would get a load of whatever was cheap, and to supplement the coal he would go to a truss factory and fill up the back seat and trunk of the car with the wood scraps to burn.
One other time I remember going to the grocery store with him to buy food for Thanksgiving dinner but he only had two bucks. While looking around for the best deal he found a twenty on the floor in the store. Back then that was a full spread for a family of six. I don't remember the bad stuff as much, we did'nt have much stuff but we usually had enough to get by.

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Sam#3

12-12-2006 15:06:59




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I missed the depression years but I was a pre-war baby. I got to live in some of the aftermath of the former and thru the latter. My grandparents and family of eight went to Colorado in the thirties. They traveled in an old fright wagon and brought it back. They were still using it as a hay wagon well into the fifties.
I can remember the ration books during the war.
The biggest complaint of shortages I remember was gasoline and tires. Everybody learned how to patch a tire with friction tape. I don't remember eating but one possum. No one liked it but we had lots of rabbit and squirrel. The experiences made a lot of people wary and frugal. Lot of people I knew still didn't trust banks for years. Of course, It didn't make a lot of difference no one had any money.

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Chances R

12-12-2006 12:45:15




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
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My Dad Gold-leaf-deere tells me how if they went to town with Grandpa they would watch the road for dead squirels. On the way back home, if there was one on the road that wasent there on there way to town they picked up for supper that night. The picture is my Father and Grandfather taken in the mid 70"s.

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John in Nebraska

12-12-2006 12:34:11




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I can remember many stories told of the 1930s, but in 1957 when a little kid myself, we'd had a drought, and were in the Eisenhower depression. The ears of corn were so small that they would pass thru the snapping rollers of the picker. After school all of us would take the pickup out to the cornfield, each got a bucket pick these little nubbins so the hogs had something to eat. Ah, growing up in a house with a central wood stove. John

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dhermesc

12-12-2006 13:16:34




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to John in Nebraska, 12-12-2006 12:34:11  
Man, you would have to bring up picking up ear corn off the ground. I had just about drank enough Wild Turkey to erased that memory. Had a bad year of that back in the mid 70s. Walking around freezing my feet off while picking the ears that were froze to the ground. Another one of those after school jobs I got stuck with.



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RAB

12-12-2006 12:10:11




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
The story that has always tickled me was how the WWII German POW, working on the farm where my Mum was borne, regularly went out with a gun. Needed to go shoot some rabbits for the pot. He, of course, had no intention of escaping and was treated almost like a member of the family. After all, worked all the same hours as everybody else, and some more, and lived-in at the farm, I believe. He certainly helped the war effort. He even came back to our farm for a holiday in the middle 1960s. Charlie Schmidt (from Bavaria) was, or still is, his name.

Regards, RAB

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Howard H.

12-12-2006 13:43:51




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to RAB, 12-12-2006 12:10:11  

Yep - Dad said there was an Italian POW camp near them during the war near Hereford, TX. He said those guys were very friendly and seemed tickled pink to be out of the war and stashed safely in a West Texas POW camp.

I'm not sure they ever gave them a gun to go get supper - but he said they sure never gave any trouble!! Always very easy to get along with.

HH



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Howard H.

12-12-2006 09:31:22




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  

One other story a friend of mine had:

His grandpa amassed 60 some sections of land up near Denver back in the early 1900s and on.

My friend was looking over the abstracts for some this land and saw that one quarter (160 acres) had been purchased by his grandpa for filling up the fellow's car with gas and a spare gas can full of gas...

The guy just wanted out - like thousands of others out here - and headed for California.

There was a huge exodus from this whole area when times really got bad - the movie "Grapes of Wrath" was based on it.

Howard H.

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dhermesc

12-12-2006 09:23:09




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I remember my dad "hiring us out". We would get hauled to a field with a cooler and water jug and get dropped off to detassle corn or cut cane out of the hybred corn fields. Some times he would work with us and other times he dropped us off and picked us up at the end of the day while he worked his own fields. He kept all the money on these deals as money is *&^% tight when you have 12 kids.

As I grew older the farm grew many times in size and we didn't do jobs like that too often. We did however occassionally hire out as a crew to put up hay (imagine 8 boys all over 6' tall showing up and taking over) or get hired as a unit for construction or demolition in the winter. I was 17 before I ever got to keep a dime of my wages.

Now they say that kind of labor isn't fit for illegal aliens.

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JMS/MN

12-12-2006 09:12:12




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
Ever hear of 'everlasting yeast'? Used when making bread, you could take some out, add some flour, and it would regenerate. During the Depression, Mom hiked over to the neighbors to borrow some, rather than waste gas driving a few miles to town for store-bought. She always said, at least everyone was equally poor in those days.



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PJBROWN

12-12-2006 09:02:06




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I think all of us that grew up on the farm or in the ruaral country have had thier share of hard times. We don't like to talk about them or remember them ,but they all make us a better breed of people. We can understand when people talk about being down and out. The only down fall about living through hard times for me is my weight now..... I was 5'10" 130 pounds when I was 18..... and now I"m 200 pounds!!!! Once you been hungry in the past you eat good when times get better!!!!

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Rauville

12-12-2006 08:52:59




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
My Mother, who passed away last year was born and raised in a sod house in western SD. She would often tell the stories about the family being so short of cash that they would have to save up to buy a postage stamp to mail a letter.

My Grandmother would raise chickens to sell for grocery money. They would prepare them to ship "New York Dressed" (complete carcass w/ insides intact) on the railroad. And the closest railroad was 53 miles away at Lemmon, SD. Those chickens were packed in wooden barrels, and hauled that distance with a team and wagon. By the time they got delivered to Armour Packing in Chicago I can't begin to wonder what shape they were in.

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Midwest redneck

12-12-2006 08:51:55




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I have been blessed and have not had to eat possum or dirt. But the job market in Michigan has made me take a 14% pay cut due to the closing of my last place at the end of last year. My great grandparents moved around a lot in the 20s and 30s for work and ended up in Michigan. I have heard of the stories from them, banks were closed, work looong hours on the assembly lines, before the unions.

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cj3b_jeep

12-12-2006 08:37:13




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My mom's dad started out as a brakeman and fireman on the B&O railroad after he got home from WWI. He lost his job due to the depression not long after my mom was born in 1930. They spent the summers living in a tent in a farmer's field while he did odd jobs to make money to save so they could rent a room in the winter. He also studied and became a certified railroad engineer. He got back on with the railroad in 1938. He died in 1944 as a result of being gassed in the trenches in France. My mom had a rough life. Her mom played piano to make ends meet. She never even had a birthday cake until her landlady made her one for her 15th in 1945.

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kyhayman

12-12-2006 13:20:18




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to cj3b_jeep, 12-12-2006 08:37:13  
Same thing happend to my moms dad, he was gassed in WWI. Died in 1930 when she was 3.



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Midwest redneck

12-12-2006 08:47:49




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to cj3b_jeep, 12-12-2006 08:37:13  
I didnt know that the Nazis used gas in WW2.



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cj3b_jeep

12-12-2006 09:57:40




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-12-2006 08:47:49  
He was mustard gassed in the trenches during WWI, died as a result of it in 1944.



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Tramway Guy

12-12-2006 09:41:21




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-12-2006 08:47:49  
Obviuosly he was gassed in WW1. It took a while; lung problems can persist for years and years.



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Hard Knocks

12-12-2006 08:37:08




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I've eaten possum and lets just say you eat possum because you have to not because you want to(LOL)These are the best of times right now enjoy it while it lasts



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SuperA-Tx

12-12-2006 08:30:05




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
Steve, ever hear of "Horsehead Township, Johnson County Arkansas"? My family came from there to Texas.

My Father was born in 1919 and died last year. When he was young him and his two brothers chased a bunch of wild turkeys into a pond, turkeys cant swim. His mother (my grand mother) wore their butts out with a switch.

What I heard about mostly was picking cotton. I think they got 5 cents for 100 lbs. They heard they were getting 7 cents in California in 1941 so they all loaded up and went there to pick for two years at Pop Bergmans farm. We had three gins in this town when I was young, 1960's. Not a gin left anywhere now and havent seen cotton grown in 30 years or more.

Ever hear of "polk salad"? A wild plant you cook and tastes like turnip greens. My mother refuses to this day to cook me any. She must have gotten her fill of it when she was young.

My fathers first job was picking up stuff when they were building the court house. He got fired cause he didnt have any shoes. They couldnt afford any, thats why he needed the job.

My grandfather drove a car one time in his life. In fact he drove it thru the back of the barn. After that they used the model A to run a saw.

Grandmother use to tell me how they would spray the bed down with water at night where it would cool them off some where they could sleep.

I guess times were harder then but I look back and think how closer the family was and how they all had to pull together and I wonder if it really is better now. We work our butts off to keep up with everyone and have all the newest gadgets, huge houses we dont need. Have two jobs to pay taxes and health insurance.


I guess thats why I like the old tractor when Im out there disking or mowing, takes me back to the good old days.

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Steve From Arkansas

12-12-2006 09:23:08




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-12-2006 08:30:05  
Forgot to mention that I've eaten poke salad many times. I think you have to drain it several times as it is being boiled to keep it from tasting to strong. Some people aroung here also cook dandoline(sp). I guess there are a lot of things that can be eaten.



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Steve From Arkansas

12-12-2006 09:12:29




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-12-2006 08:30:05  
Have not heard of Horsehead Township, but I did live and work in Yell County which is the county south of Johnson. You may remember that Dardanelle, Yell County, Arkansas was talked about in True Grit, the John Wayne movie.

Families did have to depend on each other a lot more back then. I'm not saying I don't enjoy what I have, but do think we have lost that need to depend on each other and the caring that goes with it.

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Ford 312

12-12-2006 07:56:41




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
An uncle living in Idaho used to tell about a farmer who took a male hog to the community sale barn. He couldn't get a bid on him so took him out in the sage brush and shot him. My grandparents had a farm sale in the early 1930's. They got 10 cents a bushel for 1300 bushels of corn. My parents sold the front wheels and tires off their Model A Ford so they could buy food for my sister and me.

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Tim...Ok

12-12-2006 07:54:53




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
My mom told me about her mother killing rats to cook,just something to make gravy out of during the depression,she always told the kids it was a squirrel.. hope we never see times like that again..

Tim



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Howard H.

12-12-2006 07:51:18




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  

Yep - Dad is 77 now.

He said there are three or four different kinds of weeds that grow along the road in West Texas that you can cook and eat if you are hungry enough - because they had to back in the 30's.

To this day he'll quit drinking milk from a carton that is still a few days from getting "blinky" or starting to sour.

When all they had to feed the cow was a certain kind of weed - it made the milk start tasting funny and has sort of sensitized him about that...

Seems like both my folks like to reminisce and talk about the old days more and more...

HH

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12-12-2006 07:40:35




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
I have my grandfathers old JD-B he wanted to buy it in 1935 but back then you had to have premission for uncle sam to buy something like that and it took him 5 years to get premission to get it. Also my dad has told me storys about how they had to stop useing the tractor becuase they had run out of gas stamps and couldn't get any more gss till the next month

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RustyFarmall

12-12-2006 07:21:41




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to Steve From Arkansas, 12-12-2006 07:14:54  
Not really hard times I guess, but my dad used to tell stories about walking home from country school. They had to cross a bridge over the railroad tracks, and the boys used to pause on that bridge and throw rocks at the hobos riding on top of the box cars.



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Ken Macfarlane

12-12-2006 10:11:11




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 Re: OT Hard Times in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-12-2006 07:21:41  
My grandmother still doesn't trust banks after the depression. She had to drop out of school and take a job to help her family. She said they would go many days on bread with no meat. Their house was unheated so the 6 siblings all slept together sidways in one bed for warmth. A glass of water on the bedside would freeze very early in the night.

She still won't throw a single thing away as they went with nothing for so long.

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