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71ford100

01-21-2007 14:45:47




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I"m writing a speech for ag on reasons why not to scrap old equipment and tractors. Anyone have any ideas on how many tractors are scraped a year or the survival rate for a tractor that was built 50 years ago. Any angles would be apprectiated.




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TDS

01-22-2007 08:27:49




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to 71ford100, 01-21-2007 14:45:47  
This was an essay that i wrote for my AG paper on why combines should be saved and not scrapped. Hope this helps.

The Combine Tristan D. Swartz
The combine is one of the most remarkable machines invented by man. It cuts, threshes and cleans the grain, all in one operation, while moving, which means it's one of the greatest, if the greatest, milestones in American agriculture. The farmer who spent many a hot hour on the binder, then pitched the bundles into a thresher, greeted this machine with open arms and treasured this machine and all of its glory. He washed, cleaned and kept in a shed, his dream machine to keep it preserved for years to come. Then, when the time came to either go newer, or stop farming, the machine was placed in the far corner of the barn to rest in payment for all the years of reliable service. Some people now take these old machines out of retirement to rebuild, repaint and then show these giants to the younger generations and to also rekindle the memories of a fine machine to the old timers. To this small group of people, I salute you. Now, for every good action, there is one bad; the group of people who take these old wonders and tear them apart, destroying years of dependable service for a few minutes of "fun." To me, this is not only an example of pure ingratitude, but also a slap in the face, to the farmer who worked so hard just to be able ot afford such a fine machine. The true American family farmer, such as the first generation to own combines, is long gone, and sad to say, it will not be back. Instead it is replaced by corporate farms. The only thing to remember these American heroes, is by the memories and the machines they left behind. Combines are more than mere machines. They are standing monuments to the American farmer. I will leave you with one final thought: For those who think it's fun to demolish old combines, then I ask you to harvest for one day, crops with a binder, gather the shocks, then pitch these bundles into a thresher. The next day, go harvest those crops with an old combine. By doing that, I will that your outlooks and definition of "fun" will change. Hopefully, a new respect for old combines will be found. Combines are much more than a complex unit of steel and mechanics. They are a gateway to the struggles and accomplishments of farmers of the later days.

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ktheo1

01-22-2007 06:50:39




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to 71ford100, 01-21-2007 14:45:47  
PCA used to have a list of Repo.stuff at thier office but I haven't seen one lately .May be cause farming is a little more profitable . I think Mike is way off base with his rant . The lender is not the bad guy here ,its the deadbeat that won't pay his bills and makes it tough on guys that do.



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ktheo1

01-22-2007 06:55:24




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to ktheo1, 01-22-2007 06:50:39  
Sorry ,I got this on the wrog message .I t should be below regarding repo equipment.



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Tom671

01-22-2007 04:15:54




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to 71ford100, 01-21-2007 14:45:47  
Varmint

PHD = Post Holes Digger,,, Just joking



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cornfarmer

01-21-2007 18:26:15




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to 71ford100, 01-21-2007 14:45:47  
How about approaching the subject from a slightly different angle-Why it is important to save some examples of machinery from days gone by. Everybody on here can give reasons, would make for a very interesting report. Myself, I imangine the stories the old equipment could tell, and I like to bring my old stuff to life, but not restore it. It is more interesting to me when the tractor (or whatever) is in its work clothes, with past operators marks on the machine. Welds, repairs, new paint on replaced parts, attachments, worn pedals, etc., all tell about how the machine spent its life.

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Janicholson

01-21-2007 16:38:00




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to 71ford100, 01-21-2007 14:45:47  
Two reasons:
The material, labor and transportation used to mine, process, design, cast, form, and finish the old equipment is already spent. The only reason to recycle these materials is if the reprocessing results in a machine that is so much more reliable, economical/efficient, and long lasting, that the new expense is worth the added degradation to the environment. There are tractrs and construction equipment that are 50 years old doing the same tasks that new ones might do. Again only if they are so inefficient and polluting should they be scrapped.
This rationalle might be needing to be revisited if science and technology seriously improve on the efficiency, and resource use of production machines for transportation and Ag. None with that needed 50 percent improvement is available. Look at the 1900 to 1950 tractors. They were (opinion) far from efficient or friendly for 8 hour days. They are not used as serious production machines any more. When a revolution in technology takes place, then the reuse of the material in these newer old machines would make sense (see reason 2)
The other reason is to preserve heritage. Sufficient operating machines need to be kept such that we remember where we come from. James A. Nicholson Ph.D. Professor in Environmental and Technological Studies, St.Cloud State University, teaching resource management this semester. Quote permission granted

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varmint

01-21-2007 20:33:26




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to Janicholson, 01-21-2007 16:38:00  
what does the phd stand for/?



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Janicholson

01-22-2007 08:39:11




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to varmint, 01-21-2007 20:33:26  
My doctorate degree is 30% on top of a profoundly experiential learning experience as a mechanic, and farmer. Thanks for asking, it was ment to give the person who asked for input the info needed if they chose to quote me, JimN



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Walt Davies

01-22-2007 12:31:38




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 Re: NEED HELP in reply to Janicholson, 01-22-2007 08:39:11  
Its nice to see that at least one of our teachers of young kids has the experiance to know the differance between BS and real farming.
Yes I agree with all that you said we need to recycle most of the old machinery but on the other hand we need to save some for our grandkids to marvel at and wonder how we did the work with this old equipment.
One of the things at the Brooks steamup that always draws a croud is the hand operated thresher and baler. My wife who is 81 remembers the days when she was young and worked on an old baler like the one they have. Her job was to return the wire back to the person who tied it.
Walt

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