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Chris in WI

01-26-2007 19:31:21

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Now I know angus calves are born with the dominant gene of not having horns. So if an angus heifer was bred with say a beef-cross bull, would the angus heifer still have calves born with the non-horn gene?
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Walt Davies

01-27-2007 09:21:44

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

I run Purebred Black Limousin. My bull is scured and some of my cows are polled some are horned. I get a mix of polled and horned calves. Some Black and some Red it all depends on the luck of the draw. A friend of mine who is changing to Limiflex, Limousin cross mix, has pretty much got his heard to all polled now. it a hard thing but you can do it if you keep breeding back to polled only to get rid of the horn gene. My self i don't care as they don't seem to make much difference at the market whether they are polled or horned. I quit dehorning them also. Why spend the cost and time for something that only adds weight to the animal. when i sell them at the auction the buyers could care less they bid on condition and weight. Keep them under 800 lbs and the price jumps right up over that and take your chances you could loose as much as 40 percent. For the best prices I sell at about 6 to 8 months Limousin will not grow much between 6 months and 1 year then they take off like crazy. that gives me a 5 to 6 months period to sell them at the 700 lb range where the price is best. they don't eat a lot of hay over the winter when young but if you can sell in the spring you do save that and get a better price. It all about watching the market and hoping it stays up when you decide to sell. I have seen the market drop over night and jump right back up the week. Walt

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R. John Johnson

01-27-2007 07:24:51

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

Chris

It is usually best to run a purebred bull. There is a rancher in Western Canada selling cross bred bulls, for example a Angus X Simmental to be used on white cows. I was told the big problem was uniformity in the calves. One would look like an Angus and the next like the Simmental. Not what you want if you are looking to sell feeder calves.

John

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kyhayman

01-27-2007 06:32:59

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

A true purebred angus heifer bred to any breed bull would continue to have polled offspring. I use the reverse of this and occassionally add a registered angus bull to my breeding program to both clean up horns that begin appearing and to darken up my cattle.

I normally use polled charolais bulls, which may or may not be carrying a recessive gene for horns. Over time, horns begin appearing more and more frequently, and my cattle get whiter and whiter. When I start getting more than 25% pink nosed calves, Im getting too much charolais.

Just curious about the direction of this? Using a cross bred bull on purebred heifers? Seems like this is closing a lot of doors with EPD's. It's an interesting idea on getting extra heterosis into the calves and skipping a generation but I'd be real concerned about spiking birthweights.

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Chris in WI

01-27-2007 06:42:15

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to kyhayman, 01-27-2007 06:32:59

Thanks guys for the replys.
kyhayman - I really am not going any direction with it, I was actually speaking hypothetically (sp). I was just talking about it with another guy and I was not sure of the results and wanted to see what everyone else thought.
Thanks

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Brent in IA

01-27-2007 06:22:35

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

The calves would be born polled (no horns) but since the polled gene is dominant (P), they MAY carry one polled gene and one recessive horned gene (h) and you wouldn't know it. This means if you bred the calf carrying one of each genes (Ph) to another with one of each gene (Ph), you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting a horned offspring. Your 4 combinations would be: (PP = polled, Ph = polled, Ph = polled, hh = horned). If you bred the (Ph) calf with a horned animal you would have a 50-50 chance of horned offspring, (Ph x hh = Ph, Ph, hh, hh).

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2x4

01-26-2007 21:14:50

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

Scottish Highland offspring from a cross breeding will NOT have horns if the other parent had no horns.

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THEkyroastnear

01-26-2007 20:52:06

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Re: OT question about angus heifers in reply to Chris in WI, 01-26-2007 19:31:21

not sure if this is the same thing you are asking but we once had some herfords bred to a angus bull which produced some black white-faced calves some had the makings of horns some did not

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