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Brian Decatur c

03-07-2007 17:23:11




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Some time ago the live pto question was brought up. I read in Herb Morrell's book that the first 300 Oliver 88's were on the dealer's lots before Cockshutt had a live pto tractor available. Here's what I found by nosing through my copy of Nebraska Tractor tests. The Cockshutt 30 was test 382 tested May 21 to June 3 '47 and says nothing about having a live pto. The Oliver 88 row crop with the old "Streamline" tin like the 60 and 70 tractors is test 388. Herb Morrell says the first run of 300 were developed and built this way to draw less attention from spies for the competition. The pictures in the book are very clear. 88 numbers on the old style tin. No mention is made about the live pto that all 88's have. Test 442 is the Cockshutt 40 tested June 12 to the 17th 1950. It is noted as the first tractor tested at Nebraska with live pto. Test 440 is the WD Allis. It has a variant of live pto since all WD's had a trans clutch. Since the 66 and 77 Oliver's were tested before the Cockshutt 40, it's a fair statement that the 40 wasn't the first live pto tractor tested. So my question is, does the Cockshutt 30 have a live pto? I've never seen one so I don't know. I do know that according to Herb Morrell who claims to have designed the live pto on the 88 tractor Nebraska tested did have live pto. I know there is a Hart-Parr that had a pto that was an add on that just happened to be a live type. The other question is when were the 30 and 88 produced? Morrell says the 88 was available first. So....?

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Dave Sherburne NY

03-09-2007 10:15:54




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to Brian Decatur co. Ia, 03-07-2007 17:23:11  
A chronicle by Bill Cockshutt
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http://www.cockshutt.com/index.php?tgt=tractors#30



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Walt Davies

03-08-2007 11:30:47




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to Brian Decatur co. Ia, 03-07-2007 17:23:11  
According to my Cockshutt book written by Wm. H. Cockshutt the 30 was introduced at the Ne. tests in may to June of 1947 It had a Live PTO. He said it was the very first of its kind.
Walt



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Dave, Sherburn

03-08-2007 11:02:47




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to Brian Decatur co. Ia, 03-07-2007 17:23:11  
I just finished reading the Article on shutts
in the article section on the left of this page
and it said shutt came out in 1946 with an independent PTO on their shutt 30 as an option If you read the comments on the article,
you will find no one contesting that claim. I
already knew that , but who would believe me.
Oh, the part about the Hart Parr having an IPTO
I have seen before, but it wasn't considered a success.

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oliver fan

03-07-2007 20:32:33




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to Brian Decatur co. Ia, 03-07-2007 17:23:11  
The cockshutt 30 (CO-OP E-3) had standard non-continous power take off as standard equipment. The independent power take off was a option, and it drove off the outside of the flywheel. The Cockshutt 40 (CO-OP E-4) had independent power take off as standard equipment, and it drove off the center of the flywheel, like the Oliver did.

Both the 88 and 30 tractors were introduced in 1947, but the exact date(s) is unknown. Oliver started work on the 88 tractors as early as 1942, but because of the war they didn't start production until later. I don't know when Cockshutt started their tractor design that turned into the 30. They were still selling Oliver 70's in 1947, though.

The Hart Parr live power take off that you call a add on was a factory option, built by Hart Parr.

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Brian Decatur co. Ia

03-08-2007 05:10:16




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to oliver fan, 03-07-2007 20:32:33  
Thats pretty much what I thought. I guess it boils down to who got it out first. The 60/70 tin on the 88 made for good tractor camoflage.



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rrlund

03-08-2007 07:17:05




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 Re: live/independent/continous pto in reply to Brian Decatur co. Ia, 03-08-2007 05:10:16  
We had this discussion on the Oliver board a week or so ago. Figured out that the 30 live PTO was an option. You could have independant PTO or high low transmission,not both. Also that Oilver was independant PTO not live PTO.Whatever the case,Oliver was US built,Cockshutt Canadian. So either way,Oliver was first US tractor to have it for sure.



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