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trash, no-till and spring rains

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glennster

03-26-2007 12:30:06




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ok, i admit, im old school. we used to chop stalks, moldboard plow, cultivate with an m.nowadays its minimun till or no till. saves the soil, better for the crops, less fuel, spray roundup all the good stuff. so i spent the weekend cleaning culverts, ditches and waterways from bean stubble and corn stalks. geez the fields are clean, every thing is in the ditch. wouldnt it be better to turn the trash under with a moldboard in the fall and let it rot in the field or is it better to let it wash away????? i dunno, im perplexed.

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Paul from MI

03-26-2007 18:36:34




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
I'm still using conventional tillage for my very small acreage. Just can't justify the cost of no-till equipment. I use a wheat-soybean rotation so ground isn't bare for long, either spring or fall.
Paul



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Steven@AZ

03-26-2007 18:04:02




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
I'm personally a fan of our minimal till program we have had the last few years on my Dad's farm in ND. Minimal fall tillage (only really bad weed areas, etc.) and the air seeder turns the ground fairly well in the spring.

Before this we were running anhydrous spikes to put down N2, then vibra-shank to clear enough trash to get the 7" spacing hoe drills through. Lost way too much moisture and had blowing and washing problems. Very seldom do we have any land blow or wash away now - and a much better crop because of moisture conservation.

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Cliff Neubauer

03-26-2007 16:39:39




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
If there has been enough rain to move that much crop residue (in this area at least that would require ALOT of water) just think how much soil would have been moved instead of residue.



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e

03-26-2007 20:37:32




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 03-26-2007 16:39:39  
Exactly....I'd rather be moving residue than soil out of the ditch.



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mjbrown

03-26-2007 15:48:44




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
Corn stalks definately slow erosion. Bean stubble doesn't work as well. I have been watching mine and I don't like the erosion I see after beans. I have a 3pt spreader and I may try spreading rye after the beans come off and see if that helps at all. Min and no till save oceans of diesel fuel nationwide.



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dds-inc

03-26-2007 14:09:28




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
Depends on what area you live in, the weather that season, and the practices used.

Some farmers bale chaff to grind with feed. Other people do minimal disking, chisel plowing, etc.
Hardly ever do we see a fully plowed field. Potato farmers nearly require plowed fields to get a loose footing for crop growth. Ground compaction is relieved by plowing. Around here, ground that is 'no tilled' is so hard from rolling over it numerous times. Plows will eventually become necessary here thanks to the sticky clay that we have.

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Ken Macfarlane

03-26-2007 12:42:18




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to glennster, 03-26-2007 12:30:06  
Not a lot of problem with that here. The ground sometimes is snow covered already during harvest, in spring its really muddy so it sticks to the ground quite well.

I was over to PEI a few weeks ago and they are big potato producers and the erosion this winter was crazy! Every building was plastered with dirt, the roads had dirt on them too. The ground, although frozen had dried out in the tops of the furrows from fall tillage and was blown around. If they had waited for spring tillage wouldn't be a problem but they can save a few days on spring planting this way.

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KRuSS1

03-26-2007 14:49:28




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 Re: trash, no-till and spring rains in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 03-26-2007 12:42:18  
It has been my experience, having been both a skeptic and a promoter of min. till or zero till that it can be made work for beneficial results in most situations BUT only if you want to make it work. It's not hard to make it not work either.



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