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Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix?

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Donovan

05-15-2007 16:54:12




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Hi I posted here a month ago or so, trying to fix up a ford 860 with a seized engine.

I pulled the head, and the pistons all looked fine, no rust still silver. i took the start out and started moving the ring gear, and the pistons started moving. Sparkplug 2 was not in while it set for many years.

Piston 2 was at the top when it sat. when i turned the ring gear with a pry bar, i got the pistons in the middle to go down while the others came up. I was going to try to get one full engine rotation. Then when piston 2 started coming back up, the sleave was comming up with it.

Is there any way to quick fix this, or do i have to resleave and get a new piston.

Thanks,

Donovan

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Bob/wis

05-15-2007 20:56:51




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Donovan, 05-15-2007 16:54:12  
Hey Donovan,
Sounds like you have a fun one here. So far so good. My first rebuild was on a 800 diesel ford with the 172 sleeved engine. It was toasted with to much either. Pistons with broken skirts bent rods the whole nine yards. I wish I had you problem taking them sleeves out! A day and half later I had them out. So, back to your engine. Is the oil pan off? If so spray PB up on the bottom of the piston sleeve area. Also spary inn sid eof the piston where the wrist pin is too. There is holes that lead out to the oil wiper ring and will help get lube out there. Now turn the engine back to draw the sleeve down. The reason I say this is that it would be best to remove the piston from the sleeve in block. The sleeve are very thin and break real easy once they are not supported by the block. Right now I can not rember if these engines ran a blot or studs for the head. So either way use a washer to clamp the sleeve in place with light pressure once its setted back into the block. Then lube the H out of it some more. Slowly and with light pressure turn the engine to bring this piston up. it should turn smooth with no jerks or jumps. If it does back it up after lubing from the under side again. Do this till it can be turned over by hand a full rotation. Then remove the rod cap and remove piston from sleeve. Then use a sleeve puller to pull the sleeve if it does not come by hand. Most of the tiem these sleeves are a very tight fit. Some would put the sleeves in the freezer for a day or 2 and heat the cylinder block with a light bulb inside ti expand it. They can be bad to get out !. Use a little of the sleeve retainer from Lock tite to hold inplace. The head and head gasket clamps them into place once everythign is torqued down.
Bob
DO you still have my number from the duals a few yrs ago? If not here it is give me a call if you need help. (608)482-1003

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Donovan

05-16-2007 16:04:56




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Bob/wis, 05-15-2007 20:56:51  
If i use the sleeve locktite will i ever beable to get the sleeve out again if something goes wrong?

I read up on it and it seems like it has a lot of holding power even at high temps.



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Don-Wi

05-15-2007 23:25:22




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Bob/wis, 05-15-2007 20:56:51  
I think I was the Donovan you sold those duals to- 18.4-38's that are pretty smooth?

By the way- they work pretty good too.

Definately not the same guy with the engine problems here.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Bob/wis

05-16-2007 04:32:45




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Don-Wi, 05-15-2007 23:25:22  
Opps ! Oh well as long as the info helps someone out. Yeah I drove up to beaver dam and meet up with you at fleet and farm right?
Bob



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Don-Wi

05-16-2007 08:59:02




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Bob/wis, 05-16-2007 04:32:45  
yup.



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Skycarp

05-15-2007 18:24:31




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Donovan, 05-15-2007 16:54:12  
The sleeves in the Ford engines are dry. I went through the same situation with a Ford 8N. That sleeve is loose in the bore and needs to come out. It will need to be reset in the bore using sleeve locktite. NAPA and others have it. Buy the smallest size because you will only need a small amount.

Go to the Ford or 8N board and you will have all your questions answered about this problem.

HTH

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Donovan

05-15-2007 17:57:24




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Donovan, 05-15-2007 16:54:12  
I put PB Blaster in all cylindars.

Fill up to the top with a gallon can, did it twice let sit for a week each time.

Couldn't break it by rocking it, so i started taking it apart.

So if i pour tranny fluid into it, and let it sit, whats the next step? Should i turn the engine the other way so the piston goes back down? Hit it with a rubber mallet?

Thanks for all the help guys.



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nhboyd

05-15-2007 17:49:07




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Donovan, 05-15-2007 16:54:12  
if the sleeve is a wet sleeve you are going to have to replace the orings that seal them to the block. press the piston out and see what it looks like. sleeve may have pits. if you can't hone it clean it will have to be replaced. put some bolt and washers in to keep others from coming out while you turn crankchaft.



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old

05-15-2007 17:49:06




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 Re: Piston stuck bringing up sleave, how to fix? in reply to Donovan, 05-15-2007 16:54:12  
First off what if any thing did you put in the cylinders before you tried to turn the engine over?? You still might get lucky and be able to save that piston and sleeve if your careful. I would pour a good bit of tranny fluid in all the cylinders and let it soak a couple days before tring to do any thing more

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