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Coloken

05-24-2007 19:07:42




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Gota question that concerns tractors and other items at auction sales. It has all ways been "good and proper check or some thing like that. Now with the new computers I see this on an auction listing.

Quote: If paying by personal check, most checks will be processed via electronic check conversion (ECC) and converted to a paper draft at the close of the auction. Your account will be debited for the amount of the transaction. In the event that your draft/ECC is returned unpaid or insufficient funds (NSF), a fee of $25.00 will be charged to your account via draft/electronic funds transfer (EFT). We highly suggest you make sure funds are available at time of writing your check to avoid any NSF fees.

So I go to auction on Saturday and surprise myself by buying a 10 or 15 Thousand dollar tractor---Do I have to go to the bank the day befor and move money out of my interest drawing account to my checking "just in case" I buy something? Normlly I would just go in the next day and cover it. Guess nothing is like it usta be.

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Rich Va

05-25-2007 03:50:58




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
Yep,better transfer your funds from savings to checking before going to the auction. If you don't buy anything you can always flip it back. I use the atm for doing these kind of transfers,saves going in and dealing with paper slips,long lines and the teller. Many business' are doing this now,can't really blame them,they want their money for goods or services cause in the past they were screwed by someone.

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dhermesc

05-25-2007 05:59:58




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Rich Va, 05-25-2007 03:50:58  
If its a Saturday or Sunday auction the funds don't hit your account until Monday, so you can wait until Monday to do your transfer.



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Jim.UT

05-25-2007 13:22:18




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to dhermesc, 05-25-2007 05:59:58  
That may or may not work. I'm in the banking biz (manage a very small credit union). Electronic transactions (called Autmated Clearinghouse or ACH transactions) always happen early in the morning....before we open the doors. If an ACH debit comes in and there's no money to cover it, it gets returned. We have to do that because the rules state that if we don't return an NSF item within a certain time period, we eat it.

The old days of "playing the float" are about gone. You'd better have the funds in the account before you commit them in any way because the electronic age has speeded everything up.

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Dave from MN

05-25-2007 03:45:03




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
We added "ready transfer" to our cheching, so they will transfer money from savings when required, for $2.00 FEE. We opted away from ready reserve, that is just a way o borrow m oney you should not. If I know I am going to an auction, I transfer the amoun t of money I expect I will spend, the ready transfer will cober me if I get a bit exited on something. Everything else is tied up in CD's, to kjeep me from going nuts'\.

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Dave from N

05-25-2007 03:47:03




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Dave from MN, 05-25-2007 03:45:03  
Please excuse previouspost spelling, coffe hasnt kicked in yet , and I am enjoying the sunrise without the lights on, so the key board is dark



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Steven@AZ

05-24-2007 20:20:04




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
The only checks I write anymore are for mailing to pay bills... and there are only two of those left... which I am just about ready to switch to automatic withdrawal. Welcome to the electronic age!



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dds-inc

05-24-2007 19:51:54




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
yep, this means for THEM, there will be NO BOUNCED CHECKS, and they GET THE CASH IMMEDIATELY. So you have NO chance of buying a tractor and leaving there without the money in the account. It's getting to be a better and more secure deal FOR THE AUCTIONEERS. As for US, we are opt to have upwards of 20 grand in a checking account in order to just GO to an auction! bigger pain in the butt.



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IAOliverTeen

05-24-2007 19:45:20




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
Yea. What they can do now is really weird. Last fall when I went and my deer tag at a Kum & Go (gas station) they processed my check, and I got a recepit back along w/ my check stamped void. If I'd known that I would have just used my debit card and saved the check.



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dan hill

05-25-2007 15:16:01




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to IAOliverTeen, 05-24-2007 19:45:20  
I aviod using checks where they are returned at the checkout.Electronic access to my account seems to have a great potential for fraud if a hacker gets in to the banks system.I tend to use cash more these days.Dont be one of these fools that shows large amounts of money in public.



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Buster

05-24-2007 19:31:26




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
I work for a company that services and sells banking equipment, in 2004 the banking industry switched to a new system called "Check 21", and as soon as you write a check your account is debited for that amount just like using a debit card.



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Eric SEI

05-24-2007 19:27:59




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 19:07:42  
If your savings are in the same bank, many banks will set up automatic overdraft protection where they will automatically withdraw the necessary funds for you.

It costs nothing to ask if your bank has this option.



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Coloken

05-24-2007 21:33:48




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Eric SEI, 05-24-2007 19:27:59  
One of the reasons I keep the balance low in the checking account is if it gets cleaned out by fraud. Pay-Pal etc. Haveing over draft protection would expose a larger sum. I like to max the interest in other accounts too.



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T_Bone

05-25-2007 06:29:02




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-24-2007 21:33:48  
Hi Ken,

My bank has my overdraft set up to charge my Visa so I can never really bounce a check nor would I have to transfer any money "if" I didn't mind paying the service fees. Using your example those fees would be about $11 on Monday morning. Now if I call the bank to ask why the fees, "most" of the time they will remove the fee as I have a sufficient amount in there bank and that makes a difference to them.

They also 100% stand behind any type of account theft including bill pay, transfers, brokage or Visa problems.

They have all my bizz as I like the electronic banking age.

One thing that ticked me off is the auctioneer retired and his son now runs the bizz with a 3.5% buyers fee the first year and I see this year he's at 10%. He still demands the $200 cash bidders deposit.

T_Bone

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KennypColoken

05-25-2007 07:31:03




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to T_Bone, 05-25-2007 06:29:02  
Hi T-bone, so far I have refused to participate in any auction that has a buyers fee. Just plain un-american. Don't electronic transfers take place imediatly? and not wait till Monday morning like a person aboue says? They would know in a minute that I was short.

Got several solutions... Take the tractor home and Don't bother to pay them until Monday...or use my credit card and let them pay a couple of percent fee on many thousand of dollars.

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Rich Va

05-25-2007 07:50:52




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to KennypColoken, 05-25-2007 07:31:03  
Ken,I just called my bank cause this really got me thinking about it. The woman couldn't really give me a straight answer about when the money would be deducted since the transaction would be on a Saturday but,with the electronic machine the auction co. uses if there's not enough funds to cover the check it will show up instantly and they probably won't accept your check. Just trying to help. If you can drive the tractor home tomorrow and pay them Monday that would be great.

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Coloken

05-25-2007 08:55:36




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Rich Va, 05-25-2007 07:50:52  
I know when I bought with Pay-Pal (common thing for me) on a weekend, it was gone on Monday morning. Don't think the computers ever sleep. Same with credit cards--instant with drawl--I think.

One chanch in a thousand that i would buy over my balance...Just don't want to be moving money around and have it not earning....My idea was to keep that account small so that if-if, internet or others hacked it, it wouldn't take my whole backup .

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Chad Franke

05-25-2007 09:10:58




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Coloken, 05-25-2007 08:55:36  
I know with my bank, if I buy something Saturday afternoon, I have until about 8:00 PM local time to go online and make the transfer, and it will all hit at the same time. Now I don't know how it would show up to the auction company, because all my accounts (savings, checking and credit card w/ zero balance) are tied together, so it may show the available as the combination of money and credit in the accounts. I may have to call my banker and see what he says...

If this is specifically about Saturday's auction, I think if you sell your Case and buy another tractor, Linnebur's should just put the proceeds towards the purchase...I know KW does that.

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T_Bone

05-25-2007 13:23:58




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 Re: paying at auction in reply to Chad Franke, 05-25-2007 09:10:58  
Saturday at my bank is a normal banking day. Depending on the time of day and day of the week, a transfer can be delayed upto 24hrs. Telephone transfers are almost always instant.

I never do anything Pay-Pal as I don't like a 3rd party involved in my transactions. With any 3rd party involved "if" there is a glitch, then it takes GOD to make the transaction correct. Visa is pro-buyer where Pay-Pal is pro-seller. Even then with Visa the Bank is not pro-buyer with large corperations like, AT&T, Wal-Mart, Qwest etc; and leaves the buyer to fight with thease companys on there own for a settlement.

You need to check with your Bank but I bet they cover any type of theft 100%, including hackers. The only problem with that is Visa will flag my CC usage if I make a transaction out of the norm for me. I bought fuel in Dallas, TX, $75, and Visa locked my account as that was the only transaction out of my area so it flagged my Visa card as a theft. No problem as it only took a couple phone calls to get it back to normal.

T_Bone

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