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NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door

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bizzhop

10-12-2007 22:09:02




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I"ve got a NH851 Baler and two problems. one prob I keep haveing every so often is the hay bunches up in the mouth of the accumulator and I have to stop and pull it out by hand and open the back and start all over. Going slow seems to help but sometimes not. My other problem is the back door creeps up and has to be constantly shut. I rebuilt the cylinder on the side that creeps up but still have the problem. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks

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supera3

10-13-2007 18:15:35




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 Re: NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door in reply to bizzhop, 10-12-2007 22:09:02  
There is a lock valve where the hyd. lines split to the gate cylinders, it needs adjusting or replaced, BTDT.



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kyhayman

10-13-2007 08:18:13




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 Re: NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door in reply to bizzhop, 10-12-2007 22:09:02  
Any internal leakage in the tractor or baler hydraulic circiut can allow door creep. I fought one for years, tried everything on the baler. Nothing helped. Finally found with a set of gages that I had a very slow (less than 200 psi in 2 hrs) leak in a closed center spool valve internal to the tractors hydraulic system. Changed tractors and my door problem stopped.

As to throat plugging. Hay that is too wet or too dry will both cause problems during core formation. Wet hay wont feed into the bale chamber properly. Dry hay wants too spit back out instead of spin. During core formation the best solutions I have found

1. reduce pto speed to just above idle.
2. reduce ground speed, to where the baler is pulling hay into itself rather than allowing it to push into the windrow. Thats why I use bar rakes. The rope effect of the windrow lets to baler feed itself. 3. Stop as soon as any sign of feeding problems. Usually at this point I can boost RPM to 540 and it will feed on in.
4. Once bale size indicator begins to move increase RPM and gear up to normal baling speed.


Best technique for cleaning the baler I have found is to open the tailgate, engage safety locks, and clean from the back. Sometimes also removing the windguard feeder fingers helps. In baling round bale silage where the moisture is up in the 40-60% range I remove the wind guard completely, and normally gear down 1-2 gears. Using NH 650's now but I have 851's, 846's, and 847's for decades.

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ChuckBergstrom

10-13-2007 04:42:10




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 Re: NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door in reply to bizzhop, 10-12-2007 22:09:02  
Check with your NH dealers service Dept. There was a service bulletin issued back in the era
just after the baler production on the door creep. I cannot recall what the "fix" was. Chuck



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Tradititonal Farmer

10-13-2007 03:38:53




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 Re: NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door in reply to bizzhop, 10-12-2007 22:09:02  
Problem 1)On the NH 851 (I have 4 of them) in very dry hay it will kick the hay back just after starting to make a bale.Just the nature of the baler.No way to avoid it but to start making the bale slowly or watching the chamber and stopping to let it catch up if it starts to kick back.2)If rebuilding the cylinder didn't work then switch
the remotes because sometimes one remote will 'bleed' thru the valve to let the cylinder backoff.

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old

10-12-2007 22:57:15




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 Re: NH851 Baler , mouth jam and creeping door in reply to bizzhop, 10-12-2007 22:09:02  
Had the same problem with my NH850 opening up on me and found out after I rebuilt one cylinder the other also need to be rebuilt



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