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truck dilema what to do? suggestions

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havvey

10-21-2007 07:11:22

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My old one ton flat bed is, well toast. Finances do not allow a new $30-50,000 truck, for its use. Used your looking at $10,000 to get any thing good. Many need too much repair work for <$5000.
Was thinking about taking my 3/4 ton and adding duels and a flat bed. (truck is in good shape) For the farm I need flatbed (dump body is nice to have ) 4wd and snow plow too (both i have for said 3/4 ton) REAL QUESTION IS CONVERTING 3/4 TO DUELS AND MAKING A ONE TON. YES ADD REAR SPRINGS ETC. Has any one done this what are the pros and cons?

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Tradititonal Farmer

10-21-2007 23:03:57

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

I did just that to a 1976 Ford 3/4 ton worked good except the Dana 60 rear couldn't take the duals and pulling my trailer and gave out replaced it with a Dana 70 from a 1 ton no problems after that.

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rrlund

10-21-2007 13:27:56

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Yes,I did just exactly that. Had an 85 Ford 3/4 ton diesel 4x4. The box,fenders and doors were shot,but it only had 160,000 miles on it. Driving past the junkyard one day,saw one just like it with a nice factory flatbed. Bought it,ordered a set of dual adapters from JC Whitney. Used two tires and wheels from the junkyard truck to make the duals. Disassembled the springs and beefed them up from 4 leaves to 6. Had one good fender and door,bought the other ones new. Went to TSC and bought Ford blue tractor paint,the truck had been 2 tone blue. Repainted the bed black. Turned out super sharp. Only drawback,but hasn't really been an issue is that it has 3/4 ton brakes,but the diesels were heavy duty anyway.Wish I had a pic to post. I have for all intent and purposes a 1 ton diesel dually 4x4 flatbed with a 4 speed trans for less than $3000. If I wreck this one,I'd build another one.

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Allan In NE

10-21-2007 13:22:30

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Depending on the year and make of course, but in most cases just add the wheels and tires and you'll have your tonner.

No need for extra springs, etc. 'cause they are the same darned truck save for those wheels.

Allan

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RodInNS

10-21-2007 15:10:41

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to Allan In NE, 10-21-2007 13:22:30

Allan, I think you hit the nail on the head. The only thing I'd add is that there were 3/4's that had the light drive drain and 3/4's that had the heavy drive train and floating axles. As long as he's got the heavy 3/4, just slap the duals on and go.

Rod

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wyod

10-21-2007 12:14:25

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Hey Havvey, I've done the swap on two different trucks now and have had ZERO problems... I used dually adapters that space the wheels out two or three inches per side and allow the use of regular "budd" wheels. I bought adapters for both front and rear axles so I only need one spare. Last set I bought was a little over a year ago... about $225 per axle with brand new wheels about $55 each. I know some folks have their opinions about using this type of adapter, but the first truck I did was about 10 years ago and I really "put it through the paces"... not even a hint of trouble. Let me know if you need info on obtaining this stuff... I bought my last set from a supply outfit in Salt Lake City... good folks to work with and reasonable shipping. HTH,
Regards, D

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Don Wadge

10-21-2007 09:50:28

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

You haven't said what make your trucks are. A number of years ago I extended the frame on a 1976 Ford F250 supercab, added overloads, duals and an 11' flat deck. What a difference that extra wheelbase made. It rode so nice and major difference when towing a trailer. Anyways there is very little problem adding the duals- you might have to change the studs (might need longer) which is easily done, my overloads came from a 1ton and went on easily. My F250 was the heavier GVW and when I was contemplating doing this I was told that the F250 used the same axle as the F350 (1ton) used at that time. The difference would possibly be the width of the axle. There is no need to change your front hubs if you stay with the F250 axle. This scenario is likely similar for Dodge of Chevy. You might want to check how these alterations affect you licensing and insurance.

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havvey

10-21-2007 10:21:51

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to Don Wadge, 10-21-2007 09:50:28

I wanted to leave make out of this to eliminate any "truck war". I have several parted out so most parts are avaiable to me. I am no stranger to mechenics but realize you can get "in to deep" and end up with junk.

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benny2

10-21-2007 15:31:27

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It must be a Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 10:21:51

It must be a Dodge then, cause 30 and even 40 year old 2 wheel drive Fords and Chevys are a dime a dozen around here. Guys make 4 wheelers out of them all the time, even kids do it. ;)) I looking for the late rear axle for mine with the disc brakes on it and positrac.

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benny2

10-21-2007 08:56:33

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1T dump Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Toast is relative on a truck. So what is bad any how?

I have a 1T Chev that has somewhere between 350,000 and 400,000 on it with a very hard life, not beat but has been under load when moved. This is an old state road truck, a pto dumper. This truck with a rare 16,000GVW door tag really cant be replaced economically. It has had at least 3 new engines maybe 4, 2 trannys 2 rear ends. I have had it since 89 and put the last 60 thou on it with minor repairs, regular maintenance and only 1 engine tuneup. I just hauled a trailer with load yesterday 150 miles and got another haul today. Last spring I hauled 3000 yds of dirt on my farm too. I will keep this truck till either Iam to old, or we run out of gas;)) for it.

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havvey

10-21-2007 10:25:07

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Re: 1T dump Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to benny2, 10-21-2007 08:56:33

1 ton has week motor and clutch. cab badly rusted. 2 bad frame cracks. Its age over 30 years = hard to find one like it for parts belive me i have looked

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DLM

10-21-2007 07:45:11

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Are the 1 Ton & 3/4 ton the same make instead of adding duels to the 3/4 ton might think about installing the 1 ton rear end under the 3/4 ton even if the models are different it still could be done, Don

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TomTex

10-21-2007 07:25:38

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 07:11:22

Harvey, it would really help to know about the 3/4 ton. Make, year, engine, trans, diff, bed length, cab style, etc?? Tom

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Mathias NY

10-21-2007 09:00:27

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to TomTex, 10-21-2007 07:25:38

Ditto that. Some brands may use the same frame between the 3/4 and 1 ton models. If that is the case with yours, swapping the axle might work.

I am curious, if you are willing to undertake a flatbed swap and and axle swap, why not just repair your existing truck? Bodies, engines, etc are all available and might not be much more work than what you are proposing.

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havvey

10-21-2007 10:28:03

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to Mathias NY, 10-21-2007 09:00:27

1 ton is heavier axels frames are the same. 4wd meas both axels need to be the same. Not sure if steering would swap. 1 ton has week motor and clutch. cab badly rusted. 2 bad frame cracks. Its age over 30 years = hard to find one like it for parts belive me i have looked.

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tiresntracks

10-21-2007 11:22:26

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Re: truck dilema what to do? suggestions in reply to havvey, 10-21-2007 10:28:03

I was going to put duals on the back of my 3/4 ton, but the axle is too narrow, and the inside tires hit the springs. Some 3/4 ton axles are the same as 1 tons, some aren't. It depends on the year and make. If your 3/4 ton and 1 ton are both 4x4 just put the 1 ton axles and springs under the 3/4 ton. If the 1 ton is 2wd and the rear-end gears aren't the same as the 3/4 ton, use the wheels and springs off the 1 ton. If the tires hit the springs, get some wheel spacers, but make sure they are good quality so they don't break when you put a load on it. You can leave the 3/4 ton front wheels on it, but then you'll have to carry 2 spares. You can take the factory front wheel adaptors off the 1 ton and put them on the 3/4 ton so you can use the same wheels on front and back, but you might have to take them to a machine shop and have the inside bored so they will fit over your front hubs.
I finally just bought a newer 1 ton for parts and used the axles and springs out of it, but they were both 2wd, so it was fairly easy.

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