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Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions.

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Doug/Iowa

11-21-2007 06:05:35




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Completely new to tractors and just acquired a 58-or 59 D17...actually have yet to go pick it up.

Wanting to know what it takes to run a log splitter. Already have a homemade splitter that was made to run off a tractor, but it's just the I-beam, cylinder, and hoses. No valve.

From what I've been reading the D17's hydraulics are lift only, then float down.

I've read a bit about adding two way cylinders and the return line to the tank, question is- Do I need a open center 4-way valve, or closed center?

I have the idea in my head that I can connect to the tractors current rear port, route a line to an open center valve and then a return line back to the tank and all would be good, but would rather hear from someone in the know before I spend money on parts.

Thanks in advance!

Doug

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Rickey h

11-21-2007 18:29:12




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
Open center, but with a 6in cylinder your going to need a big pump. I have a splitter with a 4in it can handle anything you can get on it. Running it off a 285 MF aux spools. Rickey



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Dave Sherburne NY

11-21-2007 15:35:14




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
Try it just the way you said, if it turns out you think its to slow, you can always add the pump. The
answer is open center.



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glennster

11-21-2007 08:01:58




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
doug, your way will work, i have done it with the belly pump on my farmall m. pick up an open center log splitter valve (farm and fleet about 80 dollars.) pressure line from tractor to in on valve, return line to tractor resevoir. your flow rate and pressure may be a little low, but i split a lot of wood with my set up, the clyinder wont cycle as fast, but if you are not in a hurry, who cares? go with the bigger diameter cylinder you can fit on the log splitter, gives ya some more oomph.

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Doug/Iowa

11-21-2007 07:27:13




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
Steve, is there a particular reason why you think a separate pump is better? Is the tractors flow rate low, low pressure or just ease of operation?

I do have a couple belt driven pumps that could possibly be converted to shaft drive from the PTO or Crank, just not sure if they would exceed what the tractor already has for flow and pressure.

My plan is pretty much what Goose wrote in his first paragraph with the open center valve that Bob confirmed for me.

I think I"ll try it that way first as adding the pump-etc. could be done later, will post up if it"s successful or not.
Cylinder is 6"x24" long. Figure it will have plenty of power for splitting, just don"t want dreadfully long cycle times.

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RossIL

11-21-2007 07:50:45




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 07:27:13  
My dad and I split a LOT of wood for a long time with a WD and a pump driven off the belt drive. Dad made a sprocket and chain set up. AC's have a high pressure low volume set up that would take forever to split wood with due to the slow cycle times. Something else that might a problem is reservoir capacity. If we were to go back to splitting wood I'd just make the splitter run off an aux. pump or a completely self contained unit.
Ross

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steveormary

11-21-2007 06:49:10




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
Doug;

Add a pto pump,supply tank and contol valve. It would be a better setup then trying to use tractor hydraulics.

steveormary



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Goose

11-21-2007 06:31:58




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
I haven't actually tried it, but I had the same idea on my D19. What I thought of doing was to put a valve on a splitter, couple the valve to one of the two way valves on the tractor, and then tie the lever down on the tractor to provide a constant flow of fluid through the valve on the splitter.

The lift arms on the D series are one way, but I believe they also have at least one two way hook-up to the rear. My D19 has two two way valves on to the rear and a one way valve that can select between the lift arms and a single acting remote cylinder.

I did the same thing with a VAC Case once, but as I recall I ran a separate pump off the PTO instead of using the tractor's pump.

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Bill(Wis)

11-21-2007 16:17:17




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Goose, 11-21-2007 06:31:58  
Your D19 has a low pressure high volume hydraulic system. A different animal than the early (pre-1964) D17s. Series IV D17s had the low pressure high volume system. Easy to spot because the hydraulic pump is mounted in the spot previously occupied by either the belt pulley (on right side forward of brake pedals) or by a flat cover plate if the tractor was sans pulley.



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Bob

11-21-2007 06:26:56




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 Re: Allis Chalmers D17 and Log Splitter questions. in reply to Doug/Iowa, 11-21-2007 06:05:35  
Open center.



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