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Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners?

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Steven f/AZ

11-21-2007 15:19:44




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Building a new house to be completed sometime in January, currently looking into what would be best as far as water filtration (whole house, dual stage under-sink, or Reverse Osmosis under-sink) and water softener... the water is really hard here, tastes nasty, and leaves fixtures with a terrible white crust/plugs them/ruins seals.

The house is plumbed for an under-sink system that will allow a tap at the sink and also feed the refridgerator/icemaker from one unit. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with aquasana? Link

It's also plumbed for a water softener. I'm currently looking at a 30k grain capacity from Whirlpool.

Any advice or experience will be helpful! Thanks!

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Steven f/AZ

11-22-2007 17:45:21




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
I doubt there will be any trouble with the leeching field in this sand and dry weather...

I have done research on the septic system and know to go easy on all soaps and there will NEVER be bleach in my house.

It's only a matter of a couple of years before we get sewer anyway...

Thanks for all the advice and experience with R-O and softeners!



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buickanddeere

11-22-2007 09:49:45




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
You will save yourself a pile of grief with the septic system. If you run the brine discharge from the softener to a grey water drain. Not into the septic tank. Salt slows the tanks action and corrodes the tank"s lid. For that matter the laundry, bathroom sinks and tubs/showers should be on a grey water drain as well. The chlorine bleach & antibiotic soaps kill the anerobic bacteria that are required for the septic system to operate. The high volumes of water from showers/tubs tend to overload the septic"s weeping bed.

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John M

11-22-2007 14:56:20




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to buickanddeere, 11-22-2007 09:49:45  
And in many states its illegal to do that and if you get caught the fines are high..... .... dont ask how I know!



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buickanddeere

11-22-2007 15:41:02




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to John M, 11-22-2007 14:56:20  
They won't allow a second separate "septic system" dedicated to grey water only? I agree dumping the water softener and laundry into the local creek or ditch borders on being rude. However it does zero harm.



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John M

11-23-2007 05:46:02




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to buickanddeere, 11-22-2007 15:41:02  
I HAD a seperate drain line for some time after I bought my house for the softner and the washer and dishwasher.Was draining into a ditch, on my property eventaully heading into the woods to drain off.The softner was put in a month before I moved in, but the other drain had been there for years. Make a long story short, power comapny neded to move a line and got there truck stuck in my woods, they had my permission to go down there, youd have to see the area to see why, so one thing led to another and I had the local EPA on my like stink on ,well you know.Cost me $25000.Inquired about a second tank just for gray water, nope cant do it, and cant get anyone to put one in "under the table".

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OH Boy

11-21-2007 21:03:03




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
We splurged and got a Kinetico system. It was expensive ($4K with the RO system) but our water could not be better quality now. We never run out of softened water, salt bin only needs filled twice a year. I'm happy we got it.



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TyTX

11-22-2007 07:07:23




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to OH Boy, 11-21-2007 21:03:03  
We got the same but I'm changing out the Kinetico R/O because the replacement cartridges are near double what I can get locally and $120/yr is a bit high for maintenance.

Their water softener is great and I really like the double resin tank and mechanical timer for backwashing. No electrics and nothing to corrode.



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ILikeCase

11-21-2007 20:45:45




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
I use a OMNIFilter Whole House CB6 installed at the well. It is a 1 Micron rating and does a good job. We still distill all of our drinking water. The dish washer, clothes washer, showers, and etc. all work very well with no signs of deposits. Before installing the filter we were getting white deposits. We still see some of that in the distiller but it isn"t too bad.

The filters last us, 2 people, about 3 to 4 months and cost around $50 a shot to replace.

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Gerald J.

11-21-2007 19:50:13




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
A water softener doesn't change the volume of solids dissolved in the water, it just changes them from limestone to washing soda. If you evaporate hard or soft water you still get rock. Washing soda is much more soluable though so it stains less, doesn't plug pipes as fast and doesn't kill soaps and detergents so washing processes work better. In fact good softened water washes fair by itself because of the washing soda.

Softened water still makes stones in the body, so I don't drink it. RO for drinking water does remove both solids and aromatics, better than distillation but its expensive to buy and to run so you tend to not do it for the whole house.

Iron wrecks the softener fairly fast, you need to use a resin cleaner or Pellens, and if that's not working long, you need an iron filter. A good water treatment place can check the water and supply the necessary equipment to do it right.

Go to your county extension office and ask for the home water treatment book from Midwest Plans Service. It will cost a few bucks but will give you more information than the typical water conditioner salesman ever knew.

Gerald

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37 chief

11-21-2007 19:22:17




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
When Dad had his house built in 1960, the water had a very bad taste. He had a softener put in, Then we had soft water that still tasted bad. I think a R/O system will take everything out, and leave very good water, but it does waste a lot of water. Anyone here from Lewistown Montana. I think they have a spring that comes right out of the ground, and is about the best water around. stan



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Leland

11-21-2007 18:37:14




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
RO machines use a lot of water ,the 2 in my carwashes dump as much water down the drain as they produce .



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deano

11-21-2007 18:14:25




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
One thing you need to determine is the level of desolved solids in your water. I live in an area of Ohio that used to be a major oil field. Our water comes from an area of fractured limestone about 80' deep. We have very hard water with what they call black sulphur locally and over 2000 ppm desolved solids. We have a sulphur filter and softner that work fine but the water still leaves deposits after it drys and forms deposits on the fixtures. The only way to get rid of the solids is R/O. I'm in the process of installing whole house R/O at a cost of $3000-$3500 which is a bargin but I'm doing a bunch of work by myself including controls and modification to the holding tank for the R/O water.
It's pricey but I'm sick and tired of replacing faucets and water heaters. Plus we buy CLR and LimeAway in case lots.

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Steven f/AZ

11-21-2007 16:55:18




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
Thanks for the experience so far! Here at our apartment it is miserable to clean showers and toilets due to the build up - if a water softener does nothing more than relieve me of that scrubbing it will be worth it!

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TyTX

11-21-2007 16:16:53




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
Here no the farm we went with a water softener and an under sink R/O that also feeds the ice maker. Works great and we use way less detergent in the washing machine. The clothes don't get that dingy look either. The softener stopped the mineral buildup in the toilets and sinks so mama's happy. Whole house R/O units are great if you own stock in the replacement cartridge company. Be sure to shop for the replacement cartridges first then buy the R/O that fits the least expensive ones. Next time our R/O filter quits I'm heading to Lowes for a replacement R/O that takes cheaper cartridges.

We have pretty hard water from our well and it has iron. The iron will collect on the resin of the softener and bacteria will grow on the iron. The result is a sulfur smell that many think is sulfur. If you don't smell sulfur now but do smell it after the softener is in... just get the salt that is meant for water with iron. Works for us.

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ErnieDD

11-21-2007 15:49:27




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Steven f/AZ, 11-21-2007 15:19:44  
Water soften the whole house, and a tap to wash cars. I do not soften water to irrigate, although some exotic plants will perish on too much salts.

We put a ro unit in the cellar and it is plumbed to refrigerator ice and water in the door, and the kitchen and bar sinks. Don't think the bar sink gets much use, would rather have had the tap in the upstairs bath, but no straight run to refit upstairs.

We have lake ontario water, not that hard, 5-7 grains, but is nice in the shower and laundry.

Soft water is what you want in boilers, radiators, and the like. Distilled water is corrosive.

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Richard L

11-21-2007 17:47:39




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to ErnieDD, 11-21-2007 15:49:27  
ErnieDD I don't know where you are but I am in Michigan and we get enough salt on the vehicles in the winter without deliberately putting it on them
all spring summer and fall also. I made sure the out side taps were salt free when we built many years ago. I also put in a salt free line to the kitchen sink with a seperate spout so we would have salt free water to drink. After my triple bypass my doctor was glad to hear about the special tap for drinking water. As I like to say if it works for you continue.

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ErnieDD

11-21-2007 20:07:16




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 Re: Way Off Topic: Water filtration, R-O, water softeners? in reply to Richard L, 11-21-2007 17:47:39  
Most water softeners recharge with table salt or sodium chloride. The sodium ion is what the resin inside the bottle selects, the chloride is fast rinsed down the drain. During the softening treatment of your hard water, the magnesium and calcium ions stick to the resin and are replaced with the sodium. The sodium is much more soluble and and does not cause water marks or streaks.

Corrosion is accelerated by chloride ion (think hydrochloric acid, HCl), you can dissolve stainless steel with table salt and vineger. Chlorinated drinking water will cause stainless steel piping to crack and fail.

Washing your car with softened water (water that contains sodium carbonate, sodium sulfate) will make it easier to dry without water spots.

RO or distilled water is corrsosive because there is no dissolved salts and the water is "looking" for anything to dissolve. Many folks on this board believe the best radiator juice is distilled water and antifreeze, and that is incorrect. It is also their engine and radiator.

Seek out the advice of a stationary engineer and ask if he/she uses soft water, deionized water, or distilled water in their boilers.

Your physician is concerned about your sodium level increasing and aggravating any propensity for increasing blood pressure. One large glass of water has about as much sodium as 1 slice of white bread. If I was thirsty, I would drink the water.

In summary, chloride is bad, causes iron to rust. Soft water is sodium salts of carbonate, sulfate etc. If it tastes salty, it has chloride.

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