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Parts is parts...What the future holds?

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s.crum

02-22-2008 06:52:04

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I got an enlightening phone call this morning from an old friend I've known since the late 70s.
He's long retired from a major auto manufacturer and when he was working he was in one of the parts supply departments.
I tossed a question to him concerning the future of parts availablity for older machines as he is the type to stay on top of the trends. I asked him this as I've been parting various things out and trying to sell the parts on Fleabay, the most recent and old Lincoln 'Lincwelder 225' engine drive welder.
He stated that anyone who can aquire and store parts for even more common machines will likely do ok in the long run. Several factors are at work here that will make many parts nearly impossable to find in the next few years. First is the scrap metals market. People are scrapping anything metal without regard to (or knowledge of) actual worth in the repair market. A quick sale for $.05 on the dollar is apparently worth more than waiting for $.50 worth on the dollar, Hey money's tight right?
Large manufacturers are tagged on to this in their obsolete parts inventories, bean counters are ordering whole inventories of NOS parts scrapped to recover what value they can, costs money to have these on the shelf.
Another factor is the various enviromental agencys that have outlawed or tightly regulated salvage operations to the point that anything 5 years old or older are fair game for the crusher.
A friend of mine who runs a rollback service and salvage operation passed my place of work a few weeks ago with a 93' Sedan DeVille on the back that he had bought at a salvage auction up the road from where I work. I saw him go by but I had to wait until break time to call him. When I finally got the chance, he stammered a little that said 'sorry Steve we picked that off the truck and put it thru the crusher to finish out a load'. I could have really used a few parts off that and would have paid him 2X what he paid plus hauling if he had dumped the car in my door yard, and within the week I would have given him the carcass.
The funny part of it is, most people still have the "parts will always be available" mentality. Sorry to say at the rate scrap is leaving the country, "The parts ain't gonna be there" new or used.
I had an item close on Fleabay yesterday without selling. It was the copper windings out of the Lincoln welder. A good set of windings with 22 pounds of copper. Didn't even make the starting bid of $20.00. I know there are a lot of these out there yet and I doubt NOS parts are available from Lincoln or most other places. So what is the future of these windings? At least 2 bucks a pound without the 3 dozen emails offering to take these off my hands for nothing. So the future says if you have and older machine you want to keep alive and hold onto, might be a good idea to scarf up the more common parts and clear a shelf in the garage or cellar for them. Those parts will be worth more than money in the bank in a few years,

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02-22-2008 21:58:19

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to Steve in MN, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

VADAVE said: (quoted from post at 11:56:24 02/22/08) Now let's talk about Maryland or DC. Inspection only when the car changes owners. Result is some really unsafe vehicles on the road.

I missed that part before. How about this: Vehicles here in Colorado are NEVER inspected ..... even if there're bought and sold 10 times a year .... SCARY! :shock:

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02-22-2008 10:18:08

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to Walt Davies, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

VADAVE said: (quoted from post at 11:56:24 02/22/08) Virginia isn't all that bad. Depends on the inspector and the area.

We lost all 4 of our yards here due to the influx of all the newbies; they don't like looking at them when they are going to the fitness club :shock: The old 'Triple-M' yard closed when they got tired of the EPA being on their backs all of the time.

No, I wasn't singling out VA, I used it as an example because of what my daughter-in-law has told me over the phone. She lives in Richmond and was looking for parts for her car; it's a beater.

In fact, Dave, I'd move back there if my wife would but she won't. She's from Richmond and her family still has farms out near Manquin; that's the most gentle country I've ever seen ..... Beautiful!
Anyway, glad you got me lined out .... :D

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02-22-2008 09:56:02

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to Gene Dotson, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

Rob in Indiana said: (quoted from post at 09:43:44 02/22/08) is much less hassel to just sent equipment to the scrap yard.

Yeah, I believe you're right on that. 10 or 15 years ago I had a VAC spotted and went to talk to the guy, looked at the tractor and made him an offer which was $75 since scrap value on 3000 lbs. at that time was about 30-35 dollars; I even told him that. The hood was off along with the head, starter, etc. 'Nope' he said 'I'm gonna fix it'. 'OK' says me and away I went.

About 3 months later a friend called and said 'Hey, they's a VAC down at the scrapyard, you better go look'. I went down and gave $75 for it .... Yep, it was the same one only I couldn't find the head laying around.

So, the guy had to load it, haul it and then sold it to the yard for $35 or so instead of to me for $75 ..... go figure :roll:
I think a lot of times a guy won't sell it to an individual because he's afraid the price ain't enough and it will get around the coffee shop about how he got taken :shock:

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Mike M

02-22-2008 09:16:21

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to s.crum, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

I work in a parts dept. for a GM dealer. I have been seeing alot of parts becoming NLA sooner they we used to. But some of the stuff Auto Zone and others are selling for newer and newer cars sooner. More and more people are trying to hang onto their cars longer too. I can remember back in the 70's and 80's walking through junk yards with tools picking parts off of rows and rows of cars to choose from. Now all the rows are gone and very few cars sitting around to scrounge parts off of.

I have also parted out many old JD's in the past and it sure would of been nice to of just keep them all together and sold them now as I bet they would of brought more today then I got out of them. I put alot of hard work into tearing them down and trying to store those parts ! Many of the tractor yards I have been to over the years have lost very many good parts due to leaving it all sit outside.

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Turke Bros. Farms

02-22-2008 08:31:13

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to s.crum, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

Kina sad because what is here, is all we got. When we scap out a tractor we make sure that every part is sold. At least we know that the parts are used to repair other equipment.

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Circus

02-22-2008 08:30:39

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People with parts don't try at all in reply to s.crum, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

People with parts don't try at all. Example: I bought an old Leyland that needed parts. Closest source found was in India. I asked competitors for leads. After searching for a month I found the US distributor for Leyland parts was only 30 miles away. Get a web site! Thomas registry! Change your name from Miller! Something! They laughed. Now they're gone and I'm praying the tractor doesn't break.

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Turke Bros. Farms

02-22-2008 10:55:13

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Re: People with parts don't try at all in reply to Circus, 02-22-2008 08:30:39

Hey Circus, get ahold of me! I can get some Leyland stuff. My insurance agent could not find a water pump for a 602, the beast price he got was $380.00... he called me. I had it for him in 3 days. Price $61.23. I can get engine kits, clutches ect.

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NEsota

02-22-2008 08:13:49

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to s.crum, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

There are folks on this forum who whine about O.T. posts. I like them and this "Parts is Parts...." post, is a good example of why.

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02-22-2008 07:43:27

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to Lanse, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

Yep, the recent sale 'Annual Machinery Consignment Auction' here was pretty sparse on the old rusty stuff that people buy to put out in front of their places. I know the auctioneer and he was pretty glum about it. He's been doing this annual sale for 38 years and doesn't know if there will be a #39. I go down to the re-cycling yard several times a week to 'look' and they are running stuff through so fast that an old tractor or baler that gets dropped off at 10 AM will be gone by quitting time.

Also, I heard that Virginia, for one, has tightened up on their vehicle inspections to the point that people are scrapping their older vehicles rather than fix the 'defect' ..... I heard, also, that vehicles are being rejected for in-operative power windows, missing radios, etc. The really great used parts lot in Mechanicsville (Bruce's) has closed down because of this.

It must be that the Feds are threatening to with-hold highway funding or some such if they don't get the older stuff off the road ????

We'll get it all back though ..... when we can't buy anything but tools, appliances, etc. except those from China. :(

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VADAVE

02-22-2008 09:56:24

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to mj, 02-22-2008 07:43:27

Virginia isn't all that bad. Depends on the inspector and the area. In northern Virginia some of the shops have real a$$ho$$s, they either change or get the newbies or the don't care crowd. I had one guy fail me for non-working fog lights (he didn't turn them on) and was really upset when I told my policy that the inspection shop doesn't get the repair work. Took it across the street got it passed.
Get out of northern Virginia and everybody get friendly and much more practical. Last year the license plate light was out, the down state inspector says "I'm passing you but replace the bulb so as you can".
Now let's talk about Maryland or DC. Inspection only when the car changes owners. Result is some really unsafe vehicles on the road.

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dr sportster

02-22-2008 07:32:07

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to s.crum, 02-22-2008 06:52:04

Peoplke do tend to think manufacturers or obligated to supply parts for older products but they really arent.Hopefully NOS parts will be bought out by someone in the restoration industry.Bob Cooke FORD in Hemmings Motor News is an example[buys and sells Ford inventories etc.].Now with enougfh demand someone will have a repro parts made.The trouble is they go right to China and its just not the same part.And the "scrap metal fever" sure is spreading with good stuff going to scrap for high prices.Not to mention thieves are ripping wires right out of pipe runs on construction sites evrywhere.Once "junkyards" became" auto recyclers" it was all down hill as far as even saving parts for reuse.I remember going in and being allowed to spend all day in a junkyard with my own tools unbolting stuff I needed then going in the office to pay.I dont even see that many junkyards.If I do they are filled with Hondas and Toyotas.You can just crush them cause there aint nobody restoring those cars anyhow. I also remember just going back into the woods and finding alot of cars for parts.I remember at about fifteen an older kid about seventeen coming back with a shovel to dig under and old Chrysler and get the Hemi motor out.Can you imagine finding an old car with a Hemi back in the woods today.Although a few years back there was photos on this website of a guy getting an old tractor off an island in the ice season.That you dont see everyday.

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Spook

02-22-2008 17:05:35

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to dr sportster, 02-22-2008 07:32:07

Under federal law, US automakers are required to supply parts for 10 years. 10 years when the law took effect ( 1960's ?), most cars didn't get more than 100,000 miles before being scrapped out.

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Rob in Indiana

02-22-2008 07:43:44

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Re: Parts is parts...What the future holds? in reply to dr sportster, 02-22-2008 07:32:07

speaking as someone who parts out a few tractors and some construction equipment every year with scrap prices be what they are it just so much easier to haul it too a scrap yard then respond to all the endless emails and phone calls only to have someone not show up at a given time.

The people who do show up want to pay less than scrap price for equipment or parts yet get their nose out of joint when you refuse a offer.

is much less hassel to just sent equipment to the scrap yard.

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