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Foam in the tires

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TnT

02-24-2008 14:06:46




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I have an 851 Ford tractor. I only hobby as all I have is five acres. But the mesquite thorns are tearing my front tires. I just pull a flat apart and found about 6-8 holes in a new tube. I think I"m going to have the front tired filled with foam. The tires are fairly new, 2-3 years old. So the tire should last me the rest of my life. Any comments? Will foam fill tires hold more weight when I use the end loader?

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Leland

02-24-2008 23:22:31




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
I ran a 544 deere loader doing demo work taking out abandion railroad tracks ,the foam filled will not ride as nice as air filled tires or float in soft ground but be assured no more flats .and they increase load lifting abilty as well ,I could lift 2 bundles of 40 wet fresh out of the ground railroad ties as high as the loader would go and the rear never bacame light .



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Hal (WA)

02-24-2008 20:35:27




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
I have had the same problem with Hawthorn thorns and my Ford 641D. And I had my front tires filled with the foam for somewhat over $100 a number of years ago. The tires were not that old, looked perfect from the outside, but would puncture the tubes every time I used the tractor.

I also thought that those tires would last for the rest of my life, but in practice, that didn't happen. I think they worked very well for about 5 years. But then both of the tire casings separated between the ribs and ended up tearing most of the way around, leaving the hard, smooth rubber "doughnut" on the rim. Then the tractor wouldn't turn worth anything on snow and I had to replace the tires.

It is not easy to get the old tire and "doughnut" off the wheel. I used a Sawzall to cut the tire casing off and then to cut a section out of the "doughnut" to get it off. Only then could I remove the tire beads. Now that I know how to do the job, I think I could probably remove a foamed tire in an hour or so, but the first one took me at least 3 or 4 hours to get the rim ready for a new tire.

I also think that the foamed tires were hard on the front end. My foamed tires weighed several times what the air filled ones do. The foamed tires also didn't "give" almost at all, so there was no spring action to cushion the frontend from bumps. And I think that is why the casings failed, since the only way the tires could move was sideways, on top of the "doughnuts".

The replacement tires I put on the tractor were the heaviest duty tires I could find in the area. I put new heavy duty tubes in them and have added a quart of Slime to each one. So far, only one flat (and that was when I damaged the valve stem somehow), and I have only needed to add air a few times. I am being more careful about the Hawthorn bushes. It has been 1 and 2 years since I replaced the tires. It sure rides better.

I don't know if I would foam my tractor's front tires again. I was really disappointed that both tires failed between the ribs. But maybe those tires were not the best quality to begin with. It was a pretty expensive experiment at over $100 and maybe was hard on the equipment. But on the other hand, it sure was nice to not have to deal with flat tires for over 5 years. Maybe your long-term experience would be better than mine was. Good luck!

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sheeptick

02-24-2008 19:38:51




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
we used to have foam in the tires on the LHD;s in underground mine. they would wear completly out until you were running on the foam,wwhen the foam got got chunks tore out of them then it got so rough riding you had to change tires.the only way to go in this situation.don;t know about cost.



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johndeereman

02-24-2008 17:25:55




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
try that slime stuff ive had good luck with it you can buy it by the gallon at tractor supply for bout $30 they run that in those dirt bikes they race in the dessert seals up after a cactus gets run over pretty good stuff if you ask me



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ric1

02-24-2008 16:03:30




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
i put the foam in the front tires on my mf-150 because of thorns it will cost you about $75.00 per tire and you gain about 25 lbs per i would guess i never actually weighed them but when i went to put them back on i could definetly tell they were heavier than before that was 6 yrs ago and no problems yet. like someone else said they are now more solid than before and may ride just a bit rougher on rough ground. but i would do it again just for the peace of mind of not having another flat especially when you have alot of thorns.

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NEsota

02-24-2008 15:49:50




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
My problem was similiar to yours with my 8N. I was spending more time repairing front tires then running the tractor. Foam was considered but instead we used the yellow liquid tube-tire sealer furnished by NAPA instead. Much cheaper and you still have the air-ride.



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Vito

02-24-2008 14:50:06




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 Re: Foam in the tires in reply to TnT, 02-24-2008 14:06:46  
When you foam fill a tire you in effect make them solid.I had a rough terrain forklift setup with foam in the tires.One of them pickup up a bolt and never had a problem.Also adds weight to the tires.Hope this helps.

Vito



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