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Dick L

03-06-2008 11:37:38




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I learned how and operated a Case foot swing backhoe for a long time. I bought a Case CK with the lever swing many years ago and still put pressure on the foot rest when I swing the bucket. I don't use the backhoe much any more and don't really realise it while I am operating it until I get off but I find my legs are tired from the pushing down.
Goes along with the brake usage thing when turning. Habits hang on.

Just wondering if there would happen to be any Case foot swing operators that do the same thing. RE: Below.
I have many many hours on dry brakes without them needing replaced as well. Slow speed usage can not be compared to the high speed usage of car and truck brakes.

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Tim in OR

03-06-2008 20:26:47




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
I drive truck for a living, It is a "Truck & Trailer". I spent years driving semi's, so it took me a while to get the T & T down. I had to road test a new guy the other day. He had the same problem. He could comprehend what needed to be done, but doing it takes practice. I also run one of those forklifts you see hanging on the back of some trucks. The Moffet uses a left foot pedal that rocks foreward and back to control direction and speed. A right foot throtal. You steer with your right hand, and operate the 5 levers for the lift, tilt, side-shift with your right hand. Climb off that and get onto a standard forklift. That will test your memory.
Tim in OR

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NE IA

03-06-2008 15:39:34




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
I grew up on foot swings, my only suggestion is to try a real real tight seat belt holding you in the back of the seat so you do not slump. Spread your legs out maybe or prop them on the back window. You may be suprised how much better you back feels after a long day.

The foot swings were not so good when you are doing things that you should not do. This is like lifting yourself over a steep bank with a side tilt. Those things that either you take a chance or use a shovel. Those deals you never wanted a seat belt just in case something went wrong. It was hard to stay in the seat without pressure on you foot.

One of the hardest things for me was when the extenda hoes came out. The first day I sure could have gotten more done than I actualy did. Seemed I thought at first it had to be extended all the time and then the lifting copacity was sure poor, and alot of bouncing went on.

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Joe Pro

03-06-2008 15:35:05




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
I am still yong so I am still mastering that arts of farming, lol but my mom can back anything up better than anyone I know, she can hook a wagon on the back of any tractor and put it in places only someone with a crane could put it, I guess my grandpa taught her well



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Bret4207

03-06-2008 14:56:34




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
Yup, same thing with me. Started o a Case foot swing. Went to Deeres after that and still miss the foot swing. Seemed a lot faster to me.



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Billy NY

03-06-2008 14:25:00




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
Some years back, after finishing a large building job in NYC, as a project manager, I contemplated doing a complete 180 and going back to running equipment, not having to listen to all the nonsense, high stress, deadlines, accelerated deadlines, super accelerated deadlines.... you get the drift. Nope, just show up and take orders, leave when work is over, repeat 5 times and take 2 days off seemed a lot simpler and so much less stress.

I decided to call the B.A. at the local operating engineers 825, for the 2nd attempt to join that local. Been there, done that before 10 years prior, was still on the list too, having the skills and expertise, knowing none of the earthwork equipment would pose any problem for me, even having not been on a piece of equipment in quite some time. I went to their school one morning, took the operating tests/tryouts on all their equipment and did just fine, but guess what they had ? A case with footswing ! Now you should have seen the 1st five minutes of me on that thing, never ran one before, but I kind of adapted quickly, told the person casually roaming around observing that I have never come across one of those but have run all kinds of rubber tire hoes, some on union jobs doing precision work for footings and around live utilities with union laborer manning a shovel for hand work as requested by a superintendent who insisted on my boss sending me to the site after seeing my work on the same job, quote from him, "that kid takes his time, is careful and knows what he is doing" they did not know I was not a union member, but would have been, had tried 2x to get in too, their loss not mine, called the B.A. after, he gave me some nonsense about my skills or others that scored better. Even one of the other people trying out gave me a really nice compliment on my work during the test/tryouts etc. Well I did the same tests at the NY local 14, 15 school one saturday, even had a sponsor who was a member and immediately recognized I was fully qualified and could be immediately hired by a contractor 5 years prior. Whaddaya gonna do.... well at least I tried and the guy next to me who could not even get a full bucket, probably got in due to a connection somewhere, oh well, would have been nice to get those benefits and not deal with being upper management is what I thought, I did enjoy that work quite a bit.

Can't blame that footswing though, sure was a surprise, but I'll bet after 1 day I'd have it down, those old 4 stick's on the dynahoes, the size of cue balls, how anyone can run those, got to take your hat off for them, they were hard to get smooth with for me, excavator joystick controls are so much nicer.

That was certainly something different, it's just like when I drive my old F-600, am in 4th low and just from hearing the engine, I go to shift into another gear, forget to pull up the button and go over to where 5th would be, except it's Reverse, grrrr ooops !! Did you ever get done driving a tractor trailer all day and get in your truck with an auto trans, push in the air clutch and reach for the invisible stick LOL ! Sometimes I still do it, so many miles in the seat just do it subconsciously I suppose.

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Rob in Indiana

03-06-2008 13:06:26




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
we still set new backhoes up with case controls for you old timey hoe operators.

we average 2 a year converted to case controls



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Dick L

03-06-2008 13:23:12




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 I Did Not Know That in reply to Rob in Indiana, 03-06-2008 13:06:26  
Very interesting. I can sure understand why. I was upset with Case at first. I loved that old foot swing. You could scratch your nose without loosing a bit of time. I wanted to put footings under a trailer so I rented one of those little track hoes with the shorter arm and smaller bucket. I thought I could get back under farther and would not have to do as much hand work. The swing lever opperated the opposit as the case. After smacking the side of the house trailer two or three times I parked it and went back to the CK.

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John B. NE Ind.

03-06-2008 20:57:14




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 Re: I Did Not Know That in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 13:23:12  
I learned to operate a back hoe using a 2 cylinder 40 series JD that had 4 hand levers.The swing cylinder was attached to a round drum with cables. Needless to say after the cables got worn and sloppy in order to hit the trench you would have to start dropping the boom a couple of feet before the trench otherwise the boom would end up way past where you wanted it. In 1964 as a southamore in HS the boss got a new 300 series Jd. with twin sticks. It took a long time to break the habit of dropping the boom early when swinging. Learning the twim sticks was a piece of cake. Never tried any with foot swings.

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onefarmer

03-06-2008 11:50:00




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 11:37:38  
I grew up on JD 2cyl poppers. After 20 yrs of being away from them I am back to using one. I am very surprised at how fast the old habits of how to run one came back to me.



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Dick L

03-06-2008 12:14:55




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to onefarmer, 03-06-2008 11:50:00  
Didn't ever get any JD 2 poper habits. What little I drove on an old JD A I felt like a pole setter reaching out for the hand clutch. I tried to back a wagon load of hay up a barn grade gave up. Trying to set cockwampas in the seat and look back on the right side and slip the hand clutch didn't work for me. Parked it and used the Oliver 66.



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thurlow

03-06-2008 12:45:18




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 12:14:55  
Reckon how many of the folks on this "tractor" forum can back up a 4-wheel trailer? Isn't that one of the things expected of a tractor driver? Dying/lost art. We used to get some folks who thought "driving" meant "steering". My Dad would say they just "herded" the tractor down through the field. Even better, how many can back up a 4-wheel trailer hooked on behind a pto-driven/pull behind silage cutter..... ..... ..

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Billy NY

03-06-2008 14:44:16




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to thurlow, 03-06-2008 12:45:18  
My neigbhor who was a long time dairy farmer, was baling the fields close to the barns 2 years ago. I went over after work to get a load of this beautiful last cut that is a nice treat for the horses at our other place, might have been 3rd cut, was early october, and his son came by after work to help also. He fired up the old 620, and put every one of those darned wagons in (probably a dozen or so),in the time I finished hand loading just under 100 squares from one wagon into my F-600 across the road, which I towed over after it was empty, I needed a few more bales to complete the load and had pull one back out ! Those kids grew up around all that and boy he sure never forgot how to back a wagon, and said that 620 was his favorite tractor to use for that purpose. I can still back a wagon, but he'd put me to shame, there is no doubt that being a lost art, and I'll bet he could do the chopper and sileage wagon too, shame their chopper and sileage wagons been sitting, not much sileage or chopping going on.

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Jerry Coulter

03-06-2008 13:37:47




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to thurlow, 03-06-2008 12:45:18  
Never tried it behind a silage chopper, but in my youth, I hooked 2 4-wheel wagons together and backed them into the shed. It is absolutely necessary that there be no slop in the wagons' steering. And the tractor has to have good steering brakes.



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onefarmer

03-06-2008 17:14:34




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Jerry Coulter, 03-06-2008 13:37:47  
I watched my father back two wagons in like that. I never could. If I worked at it I could back a wagon behind a two wheeler like a chopper. But I had to work at it.

I see some of the city guys fail at backing a two wheel trailer behind their pickup.

Going forward or back, just driving takes some talent and not all can do it well.



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onefarmer

03-06-2008 12:37:54




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to Dick L, 03-06-2008 12:14:55  
Yep Driving a 2popper takes a special knack and I believe it needs to be learned young. I use my 620 with a loader and running the hand clutch, gear shift, hyd lever, brakes, and trip bucket keeps a guy busy. But for someone schooled in it, It comes quit natural.



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Dick L

03-06-2008 12:43:47




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 Re: Another Operating Question in reply to onefarmer, 03-06-2008 12:37:54  
Just to pick a little (:^D I found it quite natural to quit.



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