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Ian Jones, Nana

03-14-2008 04:35:53




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Bit of a story about a smart old guy. I was working on a big highway project with the dumptruck about 10 years ago when we found spot of blue clay. Well, a D9 High drive found it and the operator planted it. They tried to pull it out with about 4 big trackhoes and cats, was'nt moving. Foreman on job is tearing his hair out with about 10 million dollars worth of iron screwing around trying to get this cat out. There was an old guy in an electric wheel chair that used to watch the iron rolling everyday. He rolled over to the foreman and went to tell him something and the foreman run him off not too nicely. Foreman was a bit of a donkey related name. Old guy came past my truck which was shut off at a $1.30 a minute so I asked him what he was doing. He said he was going to tell the forman how to get the cat out but he was such a (body part) to hell with him. Old guy told me how and I said hang on, I'll talk to him. Walked over and said to foreman,"George, Give me $500.00 and I'll have that cat out in 5 minutes" It was costing him about $10,000 an hour to have 8 scrapers watching a cat sink so I figured it's a deal. He went for It. We put 2 40 tonne Track hoes with cables to cat, tightlined everything and pushed a 1/2 stick of dynamite under the cat. Foreman climbed up on cat cause the operator was on his way to unemployment line by this time, put her in reverse and the blaster let her rip. A little pop, alot of diesel smoke and that cat was out in 2 seconds. Turns out that the old guy was in the US army and worked on Alaska highway. Learned how to get cats outa mud, clay, muskeg etc. Have to break the suction, Still some good TD 14 cats up there he said sunk down with the highway on top. One right off the lowbed, 12 hrs on the machine, sunk outa sight in 5 minutes. Pretty expensive hole filler. Foreman asked me how I learned that trick( I was only about 20 years old) when he was getting the money. Told him to give the money and an apology to the old guy in the wheelchair. He did and the old guy came up every day at coffee time to tell cat/roadbuilding stories, I think the foreman even learned a few more tricks off him cause the job seemed to go smoother after that.

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rodgernbama

03-14-2008 20:20:57




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
Great story Ian. Nothing like experience as a teacher.



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Paul from MI

03-14-2008 15:02:37




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
Been there, done that. Guess that's why I have tried to retire twice and still haven't made it. Boss keeps talking me out of it. Guess the still want the old guy that gets it done around a little longer.
They forget all the stuff I learned from the old guys in our business(spring making) when I started 45 years ago.
Paul



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Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad

03-14-2008 17:40:58




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Paul from MI, 03-14-2008 15:02:37  
I was in school just in the time when computers were "the way of the future" smart kids took computers, biology, chemistry etc. Dumb kids took shop, vocational stuff.( I think I majored in chasing girls with horses, and beer drinking at the lake, don't rember, it's all a blur) Any way I have a biologist, a fisheries enhancment technition and a computer programer working for me out building fence and plowing horse pastures. The "Dumb" kids all turned into plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc. and are well on their way to retiring at 40.( Best worker I have spent most of his formative years in jail, works his a$$ off every day, does not want to go back.)

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the tractor vet

03-14-2008 08:00:34




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
Back in the mid 80's i was farming a farm out in the middle of nowhere 0n a back dirt and gravel road that had and old covered bridge that was a real pain in the donkey as it was posted at 3 ton the school bus would cross it but only after it would make the kids get off and it would cross the bridge the the kids would walk across and get back on , the township trucks would cross it and i wold ease my 706 across it it was just wide enough for the disk to get thru . For the haybine or bailer ya had to make the long drive and come in from the other way that was and extra 18 miles out around . Well a coal co. moved in up the dirt road about a mile and a half from the bridge and started strippen back up in one of old cuts and had to take the coal out the long way , they tryed to get the county to put in a new max tonnage bridge inso they would only have a mile and a half of back road to bond rather then 7 miles . Well one night i was going to go to the farm to mow hay after i had finished up my service calls for the day and as i got close to the farm around 9 that evening the sky was just a glow . As i got to the turn off it was blocked with firetrucks . Seams that someone gave the old bridge a good wash down of diesel fuel and a match . Well the county end up putting in a new million dollar bridge on a 75 cent road . a max tonnage prestresed concrete one. This made it nice for me as the ,lane to the farm was only 100 feet past the bridge and now this made me only a mile off the blacktop and could now haul the grain out easier and get the combine in and hay equipment . The big day came when the new bridge was to set just in time for the harvest , 6 prestressed section weighing in about 65-70000 each , now the trick was to back down and make a turn to the there right just issing the big sycamore back down in to the pasture and on down into the creek then the two big cranes would lift each section and set it . my buddy and i were there for the big day . first Truck Driver pull up the road and starts his back down the hill nice and easy huggs the big old tree and wright down the ramp , perfect . second Truck Driver doest the same almost in the same tracks as the first . I am empressed . Then here come BILLY BIG RIGGER he goes up and gets in his Hairlip duck and the black smoke just rools out the pipe as he pulls up the road grabben gears slams on the brakes jams it in revs. and is shifting his Mack while comming down the hill in 3rd rev. , just misses the tree and what does he do but puts the tractor off in the ditch and plants it , then he trys to spin his way out only maken things worse . Every thing is at a stand still two high dollar cranes setting men standing around noting getting done and only one little Case 350 dozer there with a Winch . Took about half and hour before they even tryed the little Case but they tryed just to pull it all the little Case did was spin. Sidney and i walked over and talked to the arres hole county engineer and i asked him if he wanted me to get that truck up he just laughed at me and my buddy told him that i could do it with what we had on hand there . He said that there was no way that that little old Case could drag that truck out but go ahead and try . One of the loaded trucks just happened to have Three snatch block on it we got them down and layed out and hooked up cable layed out hooded every thing up got on the little toy dozer shoved the blade into the ground as far as it would go and spun the tracks till i had dirt piled up above the tops of the track and hit the winch control , the dozer slid back about two feet and stopped and the truck came out . After we got everything put back in place the first driver got in that truck and got it st in place and unloaded Billy BIG RIGGER just stood there with his tail between his legs . County engineer came up to me and said i can not believe that you could do that with such a small dozer i thought that we would have to cal in atleast two big wrecker if not three and do you know how muck that would have cost the county , just smiled and walked away . Spent tomany years in the Oil Patch draggen rigs and such in out of mud holes

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Steven f/AZ

03-14-2008 07:18:55




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
The older I get, the smarter Dad is... I dread the day that I need to change the verb to "was"

The best job I ever had was working for someone about Dad's age that took the time to explain why we did things a certain way. I learned a lot those couple years about safety, patience, and explaining why instead of just saying "because I said so."

I also enjoy the old tractor and engine hobby because it gives me a change to listen to the older guys tell their stories and share their experiences... no better way to learn than to listen to experience. :)

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Greygoat

03-14-2008 07:18:03




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
Was the old guy in the wheelchair black?
Because the Alaska Highway, one of the greatest
engineering triumphs of it"s time, was mostly built by blacks. Most had never even seen a
track type tractor before, but they learned to
drive them with pride, and many went on to have
lifelong construction careers. (seen on PBS video)



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Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad

03-14-2008 18:19:05




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Greygoat, 03-14-2008 07:18:03  
Nope, he was white but I tell you that guy could swear. Must have been some kind of sargent or something. I thought the only way to learn how to swear like that was to own cows.(Cows could make the Pope swear) George had him so mad after he run him off I thought he was going to blow a gasket. That's when he was quite happy to get the $500.00 off him. Think it learned up George a bit too. Should have seen George's face when the blaster lit off that half stick. Think he pooped a bit, had to toss that day's underwear.

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Larry59

03-14-2008 06:43:24




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
You know! Your never to old to listen to someone elses words. Sometimes they have a lot of good advise on what to do and not to do.
My grown children are some that have to wait for it to happen to them for they learn. Then the old man stands bye and says. "Told you so" They hate that. But then they should have at least listn to their dad at times.



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s.crum

03-14-2008 05:27:39




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
I miss my Grandpa everyday. I was the only grandkid that really got along good with him because we had common interests. The other reason was when he would say 'now listen' I would shut up and absorb everything he would say. He would explain something and I would apply what newer technologies I had learned or had available with his suggestions. He spent most his 1st 46 years as a lease driller through out north western Pennsylvania. Listen to these guys when they talk, they been there and done that.

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randallinMo

03-14-2008 05:22:01




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
That's a great story. It is also one of the reasons I hang around here.....to listen and learn from all the "old codgers" on this forum. Most of them are "smart" and have most of the answers. The quest for us is to be smart enough to "ask them the questions".
Great story.



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Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad

03-14-2008 05:27:08




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to randallinMo, 03-14-2008 05:22:01  
Always found best to ask a bit first, especially when starting out. Have you tried this? "Yup, don't work, leave it alone" or "Nope, but we'll come over and watch you try!" I've feel I've provided many hours of entertainment to old Fred and Norm sitting in their half ton watching me learn to farm. I think of it as community service.



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nhboyd

03-14-2008 05:10:26




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 Re: Smart Old Guy in reply to Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad, 03-14-2008 04:35:53  
Over the years I have spent a lot of time talking to older guys and have learned a thing or two from them. I work with younger guys and most all of them think they were born knowing everything and can't learn a thing from the old guy. I'm the old guy.



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