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OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch?

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Mark FL

05-12-2008 12:40:16




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I'm installing 11/32nds wide exterior siding, over the drywall, to the inside of a room in our house. Do I need to move the outlet and switch boxes out 11/32nds of an inch or could I just use longer screws to tighten the outlets to the boxes in the wall? If I need to move the boxes, I would probably use a sawzall to cut the plastic fasteners and then buy new boxes that can be installed in existing construction. I dont' want to risk a house fire, but also don't want to move the boxes out if it is not necessary. This is a long shot, but is there a box extension for this application? This isn't my idea, but is one of those things I need to do.

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fergienewbee

05-12-2008 18:24:34




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
Our Lowes has plastic extensions that fit right in the existing box and come with screws. I needed a few when I set the outlet box to deep in relation to the drywall.

Larry in Michigan



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dave guest

05-12-2008 18:02:44




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
Still got my license, but lost my mind. Mich is either 1/16 or 1/8 box fit. Had to correct a whole house over this. Wasn't really my fault. I didn't do any drywall. But inspector said unless drywall contractor had license, she was going to blame it on me. She sorta mentioned court proceedings, so I gave in. One months free violation correction on somebodys else work. I used to have a tail. Now it is worn off. Also took heat on furnace and air, since it was done wrong, also by unlicensed contractor. And hot tub. Not mine either. Sorry to cry in public. So there you go. Tape and extension rings. Don't forget GFCI's in kitchen and bath. ARC faults in bedrooms.

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Mark FL

05-12-2008 17:32:37




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
I'll look for the extensions at Lowes. Will also wrap the receptacles. The siding is some type of T-111, but it is only 11/32nds. It definately is combustible. We are cutting the 4x8 sheets in half and putting 4 feet across the bottom of the room. Then a 1x4 across the top. The siding has small grooves about every four inches and should look pretty good.



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dr sportster

05-12-2008 16:54:49




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
The extensions are normally used on a kitchen backsplash.They are metal and tent to sometimes cause a short if the receptacle is not taped over.Does the code require it ;yes,however common practice is the longer screws.If the siding is noncombustible its not much of an issue.Anyplace a spark can leave the box is what is the worry.Im thinking 95% of electricians would just go longer screws knowing the receptacle was tightly wired.New work would fail if the box was 3/8 back and inspected.Old work most inspectors will not call you on this.Spackle is noncombust and another fix too.If its only a couple you may as well get the extensions but tape receptacles with super 33 black tape[3M].

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Tractor,Tractor

05-12-2008 15:34:06




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
Buy the extensions, do it right for a little extra money.



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steamnjn23

05-12-2008 14:32:11




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
real simple fix: longer screws, bigger cover plates. ask me how i know...



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MarkWV

05-12-2008 13:38:02




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
Lowes in our town has outlet box extensions, I messed up building my garage, all outlets were set back 3/8 inch too deep, extensions were less than 2 dollars each, keeps everything tight and clean, imho, Mark



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Glenn F.

05-12-2008 13:35:17




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
I have spaced the receptacle out with washers or a 1/4" nut, etc. Kind of a hastle, but it works well.

Glenn



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Sid

05-12-2008 13:26:05




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
I am not an electrician nor do I play one on TV. I vote get the extension. You are talking almost 3/8 of an inch gap. I did the "get longer screws thing" and it did not take me very long to regret it. If you plug and unplug very much the outlets will more than likely work loose and get to be a pain in the hind end.



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dittmerku

05-12-2008 13:11:21




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
that should say existing box, not bow. Kurt



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dittmerku

05-12-2008 13:10:20




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
There is such a thing as a box extension; made by B-line, if I'm not mistaken. I've used them before; perfectly acceptable for Ntl. Code. Ask an electrical supply place if they have them or can order them. I don't have my catalog, so I'm not sure of the part number. It's just a piece of metal that sleeves the outlet and the existing box, ensuring that no sparks can fall into the siding (or that no mice can enter/eat the wiring). I doubt Home Depot or Lowes would have them. It is important that you have grounding receptacles to ensure a proper ground with them, otherwise use a grounding wire from the existing bow to the outlet. Kurt

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IaGary

05-12-2008 13:06:55




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
Yes there are box extensions.

Do you need them?

I would not.

Just make sure when you put the 11/32 on that the hole is small enough to catch the tabs on the outlet and use a longer screw. If the tabs do not catch the wall board the outlet will go back into the hole to far.

If hole is cut right you may need to drill or file a hole for the screw.

Gary



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Goose

05-12-2008 13:06:54




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
I'd do whatever it takes to do it right move them out. It's not worth it to risk an electical problem, up to and including fire.



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El Toro

05-12-2008 13:02:58




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 Re: OT/move electrical outlets 11/32nd of an inch? in reply to Mark FL, 05-12-2008 12:40:16  
I could be wrong, but I think you would need to move them out. You should ask a licensed electrician in your area what the code is, I'm sure they will gladly tell you. Every state is different. Hal



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