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UnknownPriestKiller

06-13-2008 15:04:56




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It seems to me that a lot of people with visible work put a lot of thought into it before hand.
Recently I discovered a rant on quite a respected figure in the tattoo community's Myspace. I say rant, it was more like pure venomous hatred.
It would seem that some find young people with visible ink, impatient and disrespectful, and they must all just think it's cool to have visible work.
I'm 23, My first tattoo was on my shoulder, then my wrists, then I got a full sleeve. Then I moved to my hands, then neck and I also have a large part of my leg tattooed.
It took me about two years to get the opportunity to get my hand tattooed by my idol, and then my neck by an artist I greatly admire, a lot of time, effort and thought was put into both of these.
Even though I'm somewhat older and do have a fair bit of coverage, I might still be classed as young and "under-tattooed" to have such visible work, and I can't help but think that's kinda crazy!
Sure I've seen some 18 year olds with kanji on their necks or poorly executed skulls on their hands, and you can almost tell they rushed into it, wanting everyone to see their new work as clearly as possible, and fine that to me is impatient and maybe even attention seeking.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that not everyone who has visible work is disrespectful to the art, some people invest a great deal of time, money and effort into getting that particular location inked with the highest standard work possible.
It's kinda funny to find prejudice within a community that tries so hard to divert it away from itself.
Thoughts? This thread includes a poll, click here to view in advanced forum view.

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Oldbut

06-13-2008 19:42:45




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
Times have not changed, the attitude of people has changed, not for the good.



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gun guru

06-13-2008 17:29:35




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
I have a few comments that I would like to make.

1. In the Bible it says dont no tatoos...Really if you dont believe me then go to Leviticus Chapter 19, verse 28. (if you dont have a bible then go buy one) You cannot argue with the almighty.

2. If you walked into my place of employment..... Specialty test equipment manf. company in Michigan. You would likely be shown the door after a 20 second greeting. The owner of the company abhors visible body art.

3. Why would you actually pay money to have your body inked up and it never comes off? How stupid. It used to be that the only guys that got tatoos were in the Navy, a few in the Army and NO women had tatoos. 4. I am told that if you have a lot of tatoos and it is very visible even the armed forces will not allow you to join...maybe for good reason.

5. I really think that some of you fellas that have a *hit load of this "body art" It is really body defacing in my opinion are trying to say "look at me Im a loser" I didnt graduate from H.S. and the only skill I have is to be able to deface the skin of people, boy I am in high demand. There is a dork at where I work that has a stud through his tongue.....Total idiot. Why would any sane person do this? 6. Think about your long term future, do you actually think that you could become a high level manager at a respected company? Not likely. Think about the example that you are setting for any children that you have, and grandchildren.

7. In case you havent guessed I dont have any tatoos. 8. And last but not least it is clowns like you that drag this country further into the sewer with obscene marks all over themselves, and it doesnt come off.

My advice to you, read the bible, go to church, hang around decent people, find a laser surgery place. Stop doing drugs, and stop drinking too.

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RobMD

06-13-2008 19:55:34




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to gun guru, 06-13-2008 17:29:35  
Your Number 2 gets cancelled out by new testament law. We are not saved by the old testament law.

My friend is in a christian rock band and is approximately 70 percent tattooed.

Times are changing, and christianity is changing with society. I like it.



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jlmtractor

06-13-2008 18:02:32




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to gun guru, 06-13-2008 17:29:35  
What does drinking have to do with anything? it says in the bible that you can drink but you shouldnt drink to get drunk.

and gun guru just cuz you have tattoos doesnt mean you are a bad person and having tattoos and doing what we do is what makes this world great! could you imagine this world if we were all the same? it would be pretty freakn boring!!!!

and not everyone wants to be a "HIGH LEVEL" manager at a respected company. some just want to have a regular job like farming or running a full size track hoe.

tattoos werent bad when just people in the armed forces had them now were they? so what is the difference now! we all get and do tattooing, the ones that do it, do it becuz we can express ourselves. come on i have a three leaf clover between my shoulder blades that has an actual meaning. it isnt just there cuz i wanted it. the whole thing is a representation of my heritage and the three leaves stand for the father, the son, and the holy ghost.

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gun guru

06-13-2008 18:09:50




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to jlmtractor, 06-13-2008 18:02:32  
Maybe I am a little harsh, but I really have no understanding of Why anyone would do this to themselves. Remember that the Holy trinty doesnt have to be inked on you. You have to believe it, practice it....walk the walk.



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dddl

06-13-2008 16:37:00




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
i don't even understand why you would post on here about skin art. The one thing it says to me is "look at me - Im an underachiever" so why don't you just pick yourself up and get on with life. if you can't stand alone on just your merits or understanding maybe you can sue someone for hiring then firing you when you can't do what youdais you could but you can blame it all on them not "understanding"

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garytomaszewski

06-13-2008 16:45:28




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to dddl, 06-13-2008 16:37:00  
Great statement.



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MarkB_MI

06-13-2008 16:31:45




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
You are welcome to do whatever you choose to do with your body, but understand that there is a significant portion of the population that equates tattoos with criminality. Before you deride those people as bigots, consider that it was you who chose to make the statement, not them.



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jlmtractor

06-13-2008 17:22:08




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 tattoos arent always linked to a criminal background in reply to MarkB_MI, 06-13-2008 16:31:45  
what does being a criminal have to do with tattoos, Mark?

I have tattoos! and i have never committed a crime, so you are stereotyping right there!

So what you are saying mark is that by having tattoos people are going to think you are a criminal? that means that all these men that are saying they have tattoos that served our country should be stereotyped as criminals? that is basically what you are saying?

Ok, lets use having tattoos means your a criminal and changing it around a little bit. having a tractor means your a farmer. that isnt true now is it? so neither is tattoos and being a criminal!

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MarkB_MI

06-13-2008 18:45:50




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 Re: tattoos arent always linked to a criminal background in reply to jlmtractor, 06-13-2008 17:22:08  
No, JLM, I never said that just because you have a tattoo you are automatically a criminal. For that matter, my own daughter-in-law has a tattoo and she is about as honest a person as you will meet.

What I did say is that if you have visible tattoos, a lot of people will assume that you have a criminal background. Given the association of tattoos with criminal activities, particularly gangs, this is hardly surprising. And it is also not surprising that a lot of former gang members are going through very painful tattoo removal because of the stigma associated with those tattoos.

You chose to be tattooed. I don't know why you wanted to be tattooed nor do I particularly care. You no doubt had a pretty good idea what people would think when they saw your tattoos, but you chose do do it in spite (or perhaps because of) what other people would think. I don't see where you have any right to complain if someone looks at you and thinks: "that man has a tattoo, he might be a criminal." Is that stereotyping? Perhaps. But it's hardly the same thing as saying "all blacks are criminals", or "all Mexicans are criminals". The difference is that you CHOOSE to wear a tattoo.

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Eric SEI

06-13-2008 18:27:08




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 Re: tattoos arent always linked to a criminal background in reply to jlmtractor, 06-13-2008 17:22:08  
In Japan public baths and some other businesses have signs up banning people with tattoos. That is because in Japan the Yakuza (Japanese mafia) have fancy tattoos. Some of the young people there are getting tattoos, but they tend to work temp jobs and such.



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jlmtractor

06-13-2008 16:25:05




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
i will tolerate tattoos but i can not stand the earrings

i think that is just plain nasty.

I wonder if they ever think oh hey when i stick this piece of spray painted one inch pipe through my ear and it stretches my ear what will my ear look like when i am 50. I would really like to see what there ears look like when they do turn 50.



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garytomaszewski

06-13-2008 16:42:48




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to jlmtractor, 06-13-2008 16:25:05  
Used to be a Navy tradition, pierced ear you crossed the equator on duty. Ever seen a 50y/o that was tattooed in their 20s ? One of our jobs involves lots of public contact and someone with visible tattos won't work for us interviewing grandma.



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Gary from Muleshoe

06-13-2008 16:14:05




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
Two things I will not tolerate when hiring an employee, Visible Tattoos (Male or Female), and males with earrings (especially those with holes big enough to stick a half inch rod through, this also goes for females).

Young man your body was made to be a pin cushion or a coloring book. Life is not just about what pleases you, consider those around you also.



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Goose

06-13-2008 16:12:57




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
Even the U.S. Marine Corps has clamped down recently to a point where no "new" tatoos can show when attired in basically anything but your skivvy shorts.

I say "new" tatoos, because existing ones that do show are entered in your service record so it will be known if you get a new one that doesn't meet regs. Tatoos that existed before the new regulations aren't supposed to be held against you, but I can't see it helping, either. With everything else being equal, guess which candidate a promotion board or officer selection board will choose, the person with or without tatoos.

Thinking on it, in ten years in the Corps I can't recall ever seeing an officer with a visible tatoo.

I've put this old frame of mine through a lot of trauma over the years, but I've never felt the slightest urge to deface it with a tatoo.

And I agree with others. If you have visible tatoos, you may as well forget about meaningful employment if it involves contact with the public.

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jlmtractor

06-13-2008 16:11:36




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 dont judge a book by its cover!! in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
when i hire people i dont go off there appearence totally....

what happened to dont judge a book by its cover?

if that isnt enough proof how bout my cousin?

He did nine years in montana state prison and while there he got full sleeves, but he was there for something he shouldnt have done and he realizes that. he has learnd his lesson, he still is in disbelief how fast things can change and he has learned his lesson for what he did. he will tell you that he is happy to have chores and he is happy to come home and push mow his grass. and he is glad to get up at 4 am to go to work. right after he got out he found a jo setting up a steel ceilings factory and when that job was done he asked the factory manager for a job and the manager said no we dont hire felons. Well the corporate CEO of the huge corporation heard of this and he personally called my cousin and told him that he was hired if he was still looking for a job. my cousin is one of the youngest people there and he is already over the machine shop and the safety program. and he is one of the hardest working people i no and he would do anything for you.

so basically DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER sure just becuz he has tattoos doesnt mean he is a bad person. and that goes for everyone.

America grew out of the thing where if you rode a motorcycle then you were a hells angel and you were so bad. well it is the same thing except with tattoos today why cant we just forget it.

if we werent all different than this world would be really freakn BORING

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Mike (WA)

06-13-2008 16:44:39




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 Re: dont judge a book by its cover!! in reply to jlmtractor, 06-13-2008 16:11:36  
Your assertion that we should "not judge a book by its cover" brings to mind another old saying- "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but its a good way to bet." That is, while there may be exceptions, it is generally true that tattoos and piercings generally indicate an "attitude" that is not consistent with what most employers are looking for.



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rusty wheel

06-13-2008 16:11:09




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
Sooooo o..... ....What's your point? I'm not interested in the ink you have on your body, but I find "Unknownpriestkiller" offensive. rw



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thurlow

06-13-2008 15:53:18




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
You're probably independently wealthy and will never need to work; if by some chance you're not, you might check with a human resource manager or two and see what their company's attitude is towards visible tatoos.



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NCWayne

06-13-2008 15:43:21




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
I got a small fouled anchor, about 3 inches tall, with my rating badge in the center, and the letters USN underneath, on my upper arm when I was in the Navy. I considered getting another small one on my chest several years later but never did. I think everyone has a right to do their own thing with their own body although I wouldn"t personally go to the extreems that some do. I will admit though I seen some large pieces over the years that were a "work of art" not just someones headlong rush into getting as much coverage as possible in as short of time as possible with no thought given to the look of the finished piece. That said artistic or not the stigma that comes with large coverage pieces goes hand in hand with JT"s comment. If you look like you stepped out of a circus sideshow it can really hurt you in alot of ways in the "real" world. But in the end to each his or her own.

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landlord7012

06-13-2008 15:40:22




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
My Grandfather had anchors on his forearms like Popeye and according to my Mom a nekked lady near his shoulder (he was a sailor so what do you expect?). My point here is that tattoos have a deep rich history and there is a right time and a right place to display them. I don't believe kids today get that. It's all about "in your face, look at it, if you don't like it - tough shiizt!" Nekked ladies, anchors, roses, whatever you like - fine. You just don't need the whole world to see them!

Dollar Bill

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Rob in Indiana

06-13-2008 15:15:03




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to UnknownPriestKiller, 06-13-2008 15:04:56  
all I can say is if you walk into our shop asking for a job and look like you belong working the midway of a county fair your not going to be hired.



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JT

06-13-2008 15:29:03




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to Rob in Indiana, 06-13-2008 15:15:03  
Most places, including the one my shop, will not hire someone who has more ink showing than skin.
Jim



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Matt Kane

06-13-2008 17:43:26




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to JT, 06-13-2008 15:29:03  
I am a trainer in a private research facility. I have probably 14 or 15 tattoos. For the most part all can be covered, and I am very professional. If I would dress up, none would be seen. People can judge a book by its cover, but some of the "bad" looking people are also human. Some have families that they support. Even though I have many tattoos and piercings, tounge and ear, I raise multiple food plots which I can from. I burn wood and I work a full time job to support my family. I don't drink, smoke, or do any drugs. My brother is a licensed tattoo artist and I support him for what he does and supporting his family. Its a taboo thing to post, but there are good people out there with tattoos. By the way, my boss which has been in the company for 25 years recently got her nose pierced. Also the other supervisor has a tattoo on her lower neck. They are tastefull and not offensive in any way. Its an art and if someone wants it, why not. Just don't judge one on his or her apperances. Times have changed.

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buickanddeere

06-13-2008 19:30:53




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to Matt Kane, 06-13-2008 17:43:26  
I agree with gun guru and other like minded persons. Why would you do something to your body that can not be undone? Business owners don't like to hire people that have defaced their bodies. Because the tattoos indicate a lack of planning ability, foresight, disregard for possible infection/disease. Do you want somebody who either doesn't care or display not connection between cause/effect/consequences. Operating your equipment and making decisions in your company?

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135 Fan

06-13-2008 20:03:54




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 Re: Kiddies with public ink in reply to buickanddeere, 06-13-2008 19:30:53  
Infection is very rare when done by a licensed tattoo artist. I don't have any tattoos but I'd rather hire someone with tattoos who does a good job than a lazy "clean" person that sits on their butt and has an excuse for not doing anything. There's some very rich people with tattoos. Some people go overboard with tattoos but that's their right. They aren't really hurting anyone are they? If you were in a bad accident and needed help, would you refuse help from someone with tattoos? or if you needed blood? Lighten up, there a lot of things worse than tattoos. Dave

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