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Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine?

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Dan Miller

03-18-2002 01:54:58




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I picked up a Hough Payloader model HU last summer at an auction. It came with a owners manual copyright 1956. No engine included, according to the manual it was originally equipped with a 6 cyl flathead Hercules. I'm considering installing a 390 Ford V8 and 4-speed and was wondering if anyone else has done this sort of thing, and what to watch out for. Thanks, Dan




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Jeff

03-31-2002 18:26:25




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
Worked in a Auto Salvage yard off and on for a few years. The old loader had a blown engine. They swapped in a 454 and transmission, sucked too much gas. Then swapped in a 283 and transmission. Did just as well geared down as the 454 in a higher gear. Pillow blocks and shaft with universal joint, lengthened the frame due to lighter engine weight. Hope this helps.



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Dan Miller

03-19-2002 23:19:26




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
Wow, thanks for all of the feedback! I actually have the original torque converter and transmission (although it doesn't really look like one) and was considering eliminating it, but from what you guys have said, it may be best to keep it and run the 390 and 4-speed hooked to it, the transfer case actually has the froward/reverse, hi/lo range, and 2/4 wheel drive selections in it. That would also solve the problem of relocating the hydraulic pumps --- they are both run off the trans. Yes, it does have hydraulic steering already. A few years back I had a straight frame Michigan loader, and it was pretty hairy trying to drive it in road gear (always in reverse). I sold it in 1997 to help pay for the new house I was building. I missed it so bad that I just had to have another loader. Thanks for all of your input, I'll keep you posted. Dan

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Ed

03-19-2002 16:34:58




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
My father has a Hough (i'm not sure what model) with the 4-cylinder engine out of an IH Scout in it. The guy who hooked it up kept the IH 4-speed and transfer case with a short shaft to the original input shaft. The IH trans. and transfer case stay in the same gear and we run it with the original gear shifts. The unit works fairly well, except for poor air flow through the ra



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Leonard

03-19-2002 16:04:34




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
I'm not familiar with the HU, but have spent many hours (most of them some time ago) in an HM, which also had the Hercules. It's still in the family and still running the "Herc"!

Replacing the original transmission and engine directly with an automotive setup might be disappointing.

Auto engines are designed to put out power at much higher rpms than industrial engines such as the Hercules, so if you can arrange to rig it up to allow the 4-speed to drive the original torque converter as if it were the engine output shaft you might have a useful combination when running in 2nd or 3rd gear on the 4-speed. That may involve some serious "cobbling" and you may find it necessary to install a couple of pillow blocks and a custom shaft between the original torque converter and your replacement setup, which might make the whole setup entirely too long.


The torque converter, if it originally had one - it was optional - is very useful in digging, as it allows you to have forward pressure on the bucket while lifting without stalling the engine or slipping the clutch.

You may find it necessary to go directly to the transmission input without the original torque converter, which gives credence to the other gentleman's suggestion of the C-6 transmission, however your speed range of the engine would keep you running in "D-2" in most cases.

You'd probably have a pretty scary "road gear" in high - especially if it's rear steer as the HM is - you just about have to back it down the road to keep it under control!

Another idea might be to use an engine such as the Chevy 292 6 cylinder engine, which has a much better low end torque than most V-8's. You might get away with it running direct to the torque converter or with the C-6 transmission.

Good luck, and keep us posted as to your success.

Leonard

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steve

03-18-2002 19:46:09




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
my father in law has one of these machines. he used a buick v6 and trany to bring it back alive ! he has me inthe bug now, putting a mercades diesel but going straight to the bell housing with a dry clutch. good luck !! will the engine trany fit the frame or are you going to lengthen it ? what about rigging up power steering? my paw inlaws steers like a pig under load!



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Paul

03-18-2002 19:43:09




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
I helped my inlaws put in a chevy 350 and a turbo 400 auto works good needs a little tlc. before that setup they had a 283 bolted to original torque converter.



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Shaun

03-18-2002 15:28:43




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
Sounds like a great idea! I have repowered a CAT DW10 pan with a 240 ci six cylinder so I know that anything is possible.In your case I would put a C-6 automatic with the 390 that way you will have a torque converter instead of a clutch and a quick shuttle shift.Be sure to add a big trans cooler and you wont have any problems.



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charles ethridge

03-18-2002 17:24:10




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 Re: Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Shaun, 03-18-2002 15:28:43  
you must have had a 390 with a c6 before, one of the strongest and toughest moters and trans, ever made, charles



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jerry Gerthofer

03-18-2002 15:01:41




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 Re: Has anyone out there swapped in a non-original engine? in reply to Dan Miller, 03-18-2002 01:54:58  
wow that don,t sound possible....



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